MOSSAD/CIA ; There is no Iranian bomb program

The New York Times reaffirms earlier reports- which remain current despite the efforts of bombheads to create a nuclear threat out of semantics.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/w...l=1&adxnnlx=1332075625-ucZEFI/HU1FpRqjUz4MbIA

See also;
http://www.politicalforum.com/latest-world-news/227903-israel-iran-has-no-bomb-program-47.html

 

It’s the same aged-old tactics that has been used on any Country they want to bomb or invade......demonize them so that when they start the invasion it will seem justifiable to the naive and gullible…..and the corporate media will be right there behind the government, backing it up and regurgitate all the lies that they have been fed and are so willing to present to us as if it’s the truth.

 

bunch of warmongering lunatics with nothing but blood on their hands looking to create more death and destruction

All 'Sargent Bales' apply now and fight for Uncle Sam at your nearest recruiting office open Monday to Friday 9-5

 

Well, if the American public don't want a war with Iran over a bomb which doesn't exist.........who does ?




http://www.juancole.com/2012/03/us-public-to-israel-on-iran-make-nice-or-you-are-on-your-own.html

 

But if there were no one willing to do their dirty work for them they would be pretty much powerless......people have to stop risking their own lives for these greedy warmongering despots.

 

Hey, bombheads ! Cop this ;

Now get off our planet.

 

A lot of these pro war idiots i see outside of these forums who support war with iran are just lazy fat toothless folks to chicken to go do something. They are like the idiots who rail against government intitlements but take them at the same time. Cowards who hide behid the government. And just like the worthless welfare bums, these pro war guys have no problem using the government to steal my money for their ignorance. To much of a coward to fight themselves, they send other peoples children to die for them.

They should take thier money, their children and go to israel if that is what their priorities are. Leave America for true patriots who want to put America first.

 

Its just another Iraq, you have the idiots here at home who think its some (*)(*)(*)(*) crusade and you have the special interest who see $$$$ with another war.

Israelis agree Iran hasn't decided on atom bomb

JERUSALEM — Despite saber-rattling from Jerusalem, Israeli officials now agree with the U.S. assessment that Tehran has not yet decided on the actual construction of a nuclear bomb, according to senior Israeli government and defense figures.

Even so, there is great concern in Israel about leaving Iran "on the cusp" of a bomb — explaining why Israel continues to hint at a military attack on Iran's nuclear installations before it moves enough of them underground to protect them from Israel's bombs.

Israel's leaders have been charging in no uncertain terms for years that Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons. Though officials say they accept the more nuanced American view, they warn that it is just a matter of semantics, because an Iran on the verge of being able to build a bomb would still be a danger.

The United States is playing up its assessment that Iran has not made its final decision in a public campaign to persuade Israel to call off any attack plan and allow the increasingly harsh sanctions against Iran time to persuade Tehran to back down.

The concern — which is widely shared in Israel as part of a complex calculation — is of an Iranian retaliation that might spark regional conflict and send oil prices soaring, at a time when the world economy is already struggling and U.S. presidential elections loom.

Also in the equation are concerns about the ability of the Israeli home front to withstand a sustained barrage of Iranian missiles fired in retaliation. Iranian surrogates Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Gaza Strip could also bombard Israel with thousands of rockets, and U.S. troops in the Gulf region could also become targets.

Several senior Israeli officials who spoke in recent days to The Associated Press said Israel has come around to the U.S. view that no final decision to build a bomb has been made by Iran. The officials, who are privy to intelligence and to the discussion about the Iranian program, said this is the prevailing view in the intelligence community, but there are also questions about whether Tehran might be hiding specific bomb making operations.

The concern, they said, is about allowing the Iranian program to reach the point where there is enough enriched weapons grade material that a bomb could quickly be assembled, within a year.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday, "Iran, whose leader foments terrorism and violence around the globe and calls for our destruction ... this regime must never be allowed to have nuclear weapons."

Israel officials have said that with Iran moving its installations underground, Israel's level of bunker-busting capability leaves it with a window of no more than several months to act effectively. The United States, with more powerful bombs, would have a much longer period — but leaders here are loathe to be entirely dependent on U.S. determination on the issue.

The suspicion in Israel is that the Iranians have held off on a decision in order to deny Israel — and other countries — the pretext for an attack, officials said, noting that to a certain extent the matter is semantic and therefore secondary.

All the officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the subject is deemed too delicate to be discussed on the record, and the government has ordered silence.

Israel views Iran as a threat to its survival and, like the West, sees Tehran's ramped-up enrichment of uranium, a key element of bomb making, as undercutting its claims that its nuclear program is purely civilian. The U.N. nuclear agency cited its concerns about Iran's ultimate designs in reports, but notes its inspectors have found no direct evidence that Iran is moving toward an atomic weapon.

Netanyahu ratcheted up the tough talk this month, emphasizing during a White House visit and in a high-profile speech at home that Israel was prepared to act alone if necessary, even over U.S. objections.

In advance of Netanyahu's White House visit and during a speech to a powerful pro-Israel lobby, President Barack Obama took an increasingly assertive tone about U.S. refusal to tolerate a nuclear Iran and willingness to block that militarily.

Still, he tempered this tone by saying there was "too much loose talk of war" and emphasized his preference for diplomacy and sanctions. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton reiterated shortly before Netanyahu arrived in Washington the prevailing U.S. view that Tehran has not decided to produce weapons.

Iran reported in February that it possesses up to 100 kilograms of uranium enriched to 20 percent, which would be enough for four bombs if further processed. Uranium must be enriched to 90 percent to be military grade.

Israeli intelligence officials, like other intelligence agencies worldwide, estimate that once a decision to build a bomb is reached, it would take months to upgrade the enrichment and months more to build a crude bomb — in all, a year to 18 months.

Then, to fit a bomb to a Shahab-3 missile capable of striking Israel would take Iran two years, Israeli defense officials say.

Israeli officials who favor a strike do not want Iran even to reach the point where work on a bomb could begin.

Israeli leaders have invoked the Nazi Holocaust of World War II, when 6 million Jews were killed, in their warnings about Iran, citing its nuclear program, repeated references to Israel's destruction, support for anti-Israel militants on the southern and northern borders and development of missiles capable of being fitted with nuclear warheads.

There is also fear of an Iranian bomb sparking a nuclear arms race across an already volatile region with an active illicit, cross-border weapons trade.

Israel itself is widely believe to have an arsenal of nuclear weapons, though it has a policy of neither confirming nor denying that.

Israel has been warning of an Iranian nuclear threat since the 1990s and has been working on a possible military strike for years.

Leaders here have welcomed the increased sanctions on Iranian oil exports and banks, but they remain skeptical of an Iranian climbdown, especially because Russia and China refuse to join the effort.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501713_162-57399592/israelis-agree-iran-hasnt-decided-on-atom-bomb/

 

Its amazing how some people in this Country can be so easily manipulated to support a war against another Country, even though not only the fact that there is no evidence of there claim, but ultimately will mean that gas prices would skyrocket……….which in turn would affect the U.S economy in a negative way. These people really hate themselves and their Country.

 

This isn't news... All this talk, all these threats of striking nuclear facilities, all the demands to end the nuclear program... But not a shred of evidence that Iran even has a weapons program, or any desire for one.

Is this conspiracy theory against Iran worth risking your men and women in the United States military for? Because "Israel" will not attack on it's own, and I have read many times they would prefer the US to do it for them.

Do you really need another war based on no facts, against a country that would put up more of a fight than Iraq and Afghanistan combined?

I wonder, why there are so many Americans willing to sacrifice their country for the state of "Israel". Where is your allegiance, the Star Spangled Banner, or the blue Star of David?

 

Iran Threatens World Oil Supply...

Iran threatens Hormuz and world oil supply after trade links cutoff
March 18, 2012, Intelligence Minister Ali Falahian, Iran’s senior spokesman on sanctions, said Sunday, March 18, that if the US and Europe think they can ignore international law to promote their interests, they should know that Iran will respond in kind everywhere it can.

 

That's only if the U.S and the State of Israel attacks Iran……..so smart thing is not attack them.

 

Most people who support a war against Iran fail to understand that when Iran talks about taking action, it is a retaliation, a response, if initially attacked.

The Iranian government hasn't threated to instigate a war with "Israel" or America, or any country for that matter. But, and understandably so, they will not hesitate to strike back if provoked.

If that was the policy of all countries, the world would be a much better, more peaceful place.

 

Yes, and some seem to believe that Iran has no right to defend itself if attacked.

 

What will the next Iranian regime do with the nuclear power plant(s)? Will this regime switch to one of the alternative energy sources there are available, oil, natural gas, lpg, biomass, solar, geothermical? This nuclear conflict was clearly caused on purpose for one big reason, the Iranian people. Only by conflict with it's neighbours or with the 'West' there can be regime change and the people can be brought in mass behind the next Iranian regime (which will be pro empire aka Arab League, will join, and the AL will expand more, the rise of an empire in the Middle East) You wonder why not one western country is affraid of this empire they ('elites', 'kings' and other 'royals', labeled people with lots of wealth and oil) are creating, but are affraid of Iran's nuclear power.

 

The sad thing is, it's true. They have an absurd idea, Iran should just sit there and be bombed.

That, while being threatened by two nuclear armed countries - one of which has used them before, the other who still has yet to admit they have them - Iran has no right to a deterance. MAD. It saved the world once before.

 

So if Mossad has co-opted what the CIA had already said, what does that mean all of this warmongering speech is all about? I think we're being spoonfed propaganda myself. I also think that foreign policy thinktanks in this country (who dictate foreign policy) want regime change in Iran. I also think the Israeli government wants regime change in Iran. It's like 1953 all over again. And I believe it mostly has to do with oil.

 

Yes, we now live in bizarro's world where the one that says they will defend themselves from those who seek to attack them is seen as evil, while the other side is seen as good.

 

BFSmith@764 wrote: "It’s the same aged-old tactics that has been used on any Country they want to bomb or invade......demonize them so that when they start the invasion it will seem justifiable to the naive and gullible…..and the corporate media will be right there behind the government, backing it up and regurgitate all the lies that they have been fed and are so willing to present to us as if it’s the truth."

Jango wrote: "So if Mossad has co-opted what the CIA had already said, what does that mean all of this warmongering speech is all about? I think we're being spoon-fed propaganda myself. I also think that foreign policy think tanks in this country (who dictate foreign policy) [& Israel]want regime change in Iran. ... It's like 1953 all over again. And I believe it mostly has to do with oil."

Absolutely! 'Cept I'd say it looks more like Iraq all over again. The geostrategic significance here is that the shortest route for the natural resources in the Caspian Sea Basin to reach global markets is through Iran to the gulf. I read the NY Times article moon added in the OP. I'd say another misconception the public has is that the empire doesn't know the state of Iran's nuclear program. Twice the article notes that the CIA doesn't have a presence "on the ground", which is complete nonsense.

The sophistication & level of surveillance the superpower can bring to bear is incredible! Israel has whatever... some $hitfuqs running around, but the following report (Nov '11) certainly confirms that the CIA has operatives on the ground. Although this report is about a group of them that were uncovered:

This last one is about a drone that was found deep inside Iran. It's just amazing the intel these flyovers provide:

I'm sorry, but there's no way to dupe the empire! Anyone who is anybody in Iran can't make any kind of transaction or send data or communiqué electronically without the CIA knowing it. The CIA knows what these people do all day. They have surveillance devices that, like a dog, can smell the makings of a bomb. Satellite imagery, inspectors and spooks everywhere and, uh...they don't know? Ha-ha. I agree completely, this is another psychological operation they're subjecting us to.

 

I think the intention is to take control of the oil and or cause the price for a barrel to skyrocket. They know that no matter how high oil goes nations and Countries will continue to buy it......they need it to survive......they have no choice.

 

BFSmith@764 wrote: "I think the intention is to take control of the oil and or cause the price for a barrel to skyrocket. They know that no matter how high oil goes nations and Countries will continue to buy it......they need it to survive......they have no choice."

Yeah, the price. If everything was rosy and all these states were producing to capacity, what would that do to the price? Volatility pays, pays very well. For oil and as you noted, volatility justifies ramping up the for-profit war machine. Back in '04 CBS ran an article about multinational corporations and the Islamic Republic. There are some 200 western corporations doing business in Iran. Sixty of them are U.S. based corporations. To my mind, this represents a rather strange arrangement. Check this out:

Boy, follow the money and look where it leads, comes full circle! So the administration's rhetoric and the policy are in complete conflict. Which should we afford more weight, the actions or the words? Through both Bush and Obama, the U.S. has subsidized corporations "enmeshed" in the industries that provide most of the revenue that this rogue state depends upon. Despite what is presented as a relationship "dogged by mutual mistrust", hundreds of western corporations fully trust the motives of the leading figures, or figureheads of the Islamic Republic. Indeed, and these figureheads trust them. I find the evidence strong, that the threat is a complete fabrication!

 

And one would think that with all this information out there that the mainstream media would be informing the masses but instead they are not. This also proves that the media is complying with the government to decieve.

 

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Yes but what you must remember is that Saddam was a member of Al Qaeda,PLO and Red September,or was it Black September. Anyway we sure did a job on Iraq and you know,they are not grateful that we totally destroyed their country.

 

And some people fall for there lies hook-line-and-sinker every time......they are such suckers.