Iran, and their nuclear missles.

Discussion in 'Nuclear, Chemical & Bio Weapons' started by Virtus, Jan 4, 2012.

  1. Mushroom

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    Actually, I have no problem beating the daylights out of somebody that invades another soverign nation without just cause. Especially if the intent is to annex said nation into their own country (Germany, Japan, Italy, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, etc, etc, etc).

    If somebody invades a neighbor with the intent of conquest and enlarging their nation, then they get what they deserve. And I do not care if it is a democracy or not. Civilized nations do not perform such actions.

    And the last time I checked, none of those actions in the last 60 years were conducted by "democracies". They were all dictatorships that were trying to directly expand their nation by destroying another.

    And when the nation itself asks for our intervention (South Korea, South Vietnam, Kuwait), then we have every right to come to their assistance. To not do so is the same as condoning the invasion and conquest.
     
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    Just because there is a war we have to get involved?
     
  3. unclebob

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    Even Russia and China agree that the Iran's enrichment program can only be intended for nuclear weapons.

    They don't have nukes now, but they want them and will get them if not stopped.
     
  4. OJLeb

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    Do you really want to compare Iran's track record with the records of America and Britain... Really?

    And are you saying their feelings toward the West is unjustified? I respect Ahmadinejad for having the balls to speak out against the Western governments when they do wrong. The Middle East needs more leaders with a backbone and who don't rely on Western money and appeasing Western powers.
     
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    Source?

    Iran has stated many times they do not want or are trying to get nuclear weapons.
     
  6. Mushroom

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    And how do they react when they do wrong?

    Oh wait, we have already seen that. When they stole the election a few years ago.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbdEf0QRsLM"]Iran, Tehran: wounded girl dying in front of camera, Her name was Neda - YouTube[/ame]
     
  7. Man on Fire

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    Who stole an election?

    Shortly before the election, Terror Free Tomorrow and the New America Foundation published a poll that was financed by the Rockefeller Brothers Foundation. Based on this poll, the official result - a victory for Ahmadinejad in the first round - was entirely predictable. "Ahmadinejad Front Runner in Upcoming Presidential Elections," the poll reported.

    The poll was conducted between May 11 and May 20, and claimed a margin of error of 3.1%. Among its respondents, 34% said they would vote for incumbent President Ahmadinejad, 14% said they would vote for Mir Hussein Moussavi, 2% said they would vote for Mehdi Karroubi, and 1% said they would vote for Mohsen Rezai. Declared support for these four candidates represented 51% of the sample; 27% of the sample said they didn't know who they would vote for. [This accounts for 78% of the sample; the survey report doesn't explicitly characterize the other 22% of the sample, but presumably they were divided between those who did not intend to vote and those who refused to respond to the question. The survey reported that 89% of Iranians said they intended to vote.]

    If one merely extrapolated from the reported results - that is, if one assumed that the people who refused to respond or who didn't know voted for the four candidates in the same proportions as their counterparts who named candidates, the following result would have occurred on June 12:


    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - 66.7%

    Mir Hussein Moussavi - 27.5%

    Mehdi Karroubi - 3.9%

    Mohsen Rezai - 2.0%

    http://www.alternet.org/world/140656/pre-election_poll_predicted_ahmadinejad_win/
     
  8. Idiocracy

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    You should stop hiding behind vague words like "just cause" you should just admit that you allies even if they are the aggressors.

    You didn't bring up Indonesia's Occupation of East Timor where an estimated 200000 civilians the US even armed the Indonesian soldiers. Or Israel's obvious but slow annexation of Palestine. The Ethiopian/US removal of the ICU in Somalia which has left the country even more devastated. Then there is the US annexation of the Philippines. Support for the Congo Free State. That's all just off the top of my head.

    Also Korea's south was first occupied by the US, Russia then took the north. South Vietnam had an atrocious regime both sides in the conflict were brutal goons. Iraq was strongly supported by the US for sometime even when they invaded their neighbor Iran.

    You're being a dishonest hypocrite. I don't recall Iran ever unjustly(I really wanted to quote this but all i get is È) invading and occupying anyone. You'll have to refresh my memory.
     
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    Source? you haven't heard Russia stating that Iran enriching to the extent that they do can only be for weapons? You need me to point that out for you?

    "Iran has stated".... Oh, right, so we just believe them do we? When all the evidence suggests otherwise?
     
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    Do you have a source to this or not?

    So you believe the Russians and Chinese, if they even said this, but not the Iranians? lol... There is no evidence. For all these years Iran has supposedly been making "the bomb", yet every year they never have it... Every year, they get closer. Do you know how long this has been going on for? This nuclear program of their is going at a snails pace.
     
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    Actually it does, it means that there likely is no nuclear weapons program.

    Nowhere in that entire article does any Russian official even come close to saying what you claimed, twice...

    And

    Not to mention this article is months old.

    And I am not the one who needs to provide the sources for your claim. Don't be so lazy.
     
  14. unclebob

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    Do you consider a man equal to a woman?
     
  15. OJLeb

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    So now you're trolling.

    Any other sources?
     
  16. unclebob

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    No, not trolling. Not at all.

    Simple question. Answer and I will give you a source.
     
  17. OJLeb

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    Nah bro, you're trolling.

    This question has nothing to do with anything, and is pretty stupid itself.

    Why would you hide your proof when trying to make a point? lol
     
  18. unclebob

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    Why would you hide what you believe in, if what you believe in, is how you live your life? Are you ashamed of your belief?

    If you can understand that, you can understand why Iran is not entitled to Nuclear weapons.

    I gave you a source. I am not going to find another for you. There are many others like it.
     
  19. OJLeb

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    I'm not hiding anything. If you want, go to an appropriate forum and make a thread and I will be happy to answer it, I'm not going to fuel your deflection.

    If Iran wanted nuclear weapons, they have the same right as "Israel" to have them. However, they have stated numerous times, for years, they don't have nuclear weapons nor want nuclear weapons. There hasn't been any legitimate proof to prove this otherwise.

    As I already mentioned, the HP article you posted in no way even hinted that Russia believed Iran's nuclear program was solely for developing weapons.

    And again, I am not the one responsible to provide proof for your claims, it says something that you make excuses to post your sources.

    Is there anything else you'd like to say?
     
  20. unclebob

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    To you, no.
     
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    One word come to mind in a situation such as this.....................................................Bollocks!

    Mmmmm...pray tell...if we take on board your powers of reasoning.... why are your American Drones murdering innocent people in Yemen.... TODAY!

    Want a link?

    You live in a dictatorship.....why else can they get away with rape murder pogroms torture and assassinations....secret prisons?

    Aye right enough......Quote .... I have no problem beating the daylights out of somebody that invades another soverign nation without just cause.

    Where is the justice? Where is the humanity.....better still where is the truth!

    Your politcal system is a degenerate system, its a problem with a dictatorship and owned senators and a AIPAC bought media!

    Not that you'd have any understanding!
    But to get back to the post...Iran has no intention of any atomic weapons they do not want and do not have none a nuclear bomb!
    They have integrity and truth on there side, your political establishment on the other hand has none, they lie, they torture, they kill and maim, they commit crimes against humanity, they hide people in prison for years with out redress, they are degenerates!
    The Nazi Talmud supporters on the other hand.... they have the American veto, they're own atomic weapons, and are NOT signatures to the IAEA!
    You may believe the nonsense you post, but you'd be better off writing fairy stories! Certainly no bearing to the facts of the matter!

    Highlander
     
  22. OJLeb

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    I see... Thats unfortunate. Sorry to spoil your party like that, but it was fun I will admit :p
     
  23. unclebob

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    Here's one more source, from a Russian site, government-controlled I might add. Its 2 months old. Is that source to biased or "old" for you?

    http://rt.com/politics/iran-nuclear-sanctions-gatilov-957/

    Uranium enrichment to the level Iran is seeking is useful for one thing only. it is obvious. Now Russia is beginning to worry.

    I stand behind what I say and what I believe in, unlike you. Quite cowardly I must say.... as its demeaning woman, but that's another matter.
     
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    Sigh.... Again, the Russians do not state in your article that enriching uranium means the Iranian nuclear program is strictly for the development on nuclear weapons.

    I am not arguing that Iran has not been enriching uranium and that Russia is not very happy, I am arguing that Russia and China never said Iran is developing a nuclear program for the sole purpose of developing nuclear weapons, something you have claimed 3 times now.


    I don't see what this has anything to do with what we are talking about.

    More trolling.
     
  25. unclebob

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    They do not need to explicitly say that they now except Iran wishes to develop nukes. They know enriching to the level which Iran is aiming for, can only mean one thing. That's why they condemn it in this article.

    What do you want? You want a hand signed letter from Vladamir Putin, saying what Iran is doing is not inkeeping with their stated intentions?



    You ask what i has to do with what we are talking about. I did not say it had anything to do with it. I just like for people to know that I respect woman and am not ashamed in what I believe in.
     

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