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  1. OJLeb

    OJLeb New Member

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    Nah, Maher won't wait. He does both at the same time sometimes.

    And yes, WanRen is a Christian. Who is trying to highjack this thread and take it off course.

    There is now 3 threads for you to spew your nonsense and hatred and out-of-context verses, 1 passed the 500-mark, one has a ways to go, and one was started by you (WanRen). You are just proving to be nothing but a troll, as if it wasn't obvious enough already - it was - but you really need to ask yourself: What would Jesus (peace be upon him) do?

    Because your values - for a Christian Canadian - are more like a radical right-wing American.
     
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    Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The strong-man is not one who wrestles well but the strong man is one who controls himself when he is in a fit of rage.
     
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    Whatever the (*)(*)(*)(*) that is supposed to mean.

    Radical right-wing Americans are non-interventionists like Ron Paul.

    The ones you are referring to are center-right Americans.
     
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    Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “None of you should wish for death because of a calamity befalling him; but if he has to wish for death, he should say: “O Allah! Keep me alive as long as life is better for me, and let me die if death is better for me.’ ”.
     
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    True he does. But he likes to make it a point that he thinks Christianity is the "lesser of 2 evils". He is still a piece of (*)(*)(*)(*), vile human being and is a complete joke, not in a funny way either.
     
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    Centre-right. Okay. You know what I mean. I guess I should of just said conservative.


    Agreed.
     
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    So according to you military socialism is conservative? Invading multiple sovereign nations at the drop of the hat who have done nothing to us is conservative? No. They are neoconservative at best. Liberal by my standards. But they are not by any means far right/classical liberal/ American conservatives.
     
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    American conservatives are not classical liberals and have far more in common with liberals and military socialism than anything like the libertarian ideologies you describe, ie classical liberalism. Conservatives and liberals have been supportive, constructive and initiates of plenty of wars and illegal military activities.
     
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    The constitution is the law of this land.

    Therefore anyone who abides by it is a conservative, if they stray from it, they are liberal. Sounds simple but that's all there is to it.
     
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    Hard to believe, but yeah it is. Its a liberal document, btw.

    Well no, someone who abides by the constitution is a libertarian, neither a liberal or conservative. Of course that's arguable, and the reality is you can really say the heart of the constitution is nothing since, as Jefferson said, a true constitution would require revision constantly to know what the real interests of the nation are and what are the best means of achieving them.

    Nothing political is ever simple.
     
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    Let me explain it differently. Conservatism (as taught in our universities) is not an ideology, but merely maintenance of the status quo. I understand nobody has been following the constitution lately, therefore, they are all liberal. The status quo as far as our laws are concerned are still technically the constitution. American libertarians are conservative. Constitutionalists are conservative. The rest are liberal.
     
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    Maintaining the status quo IS an ideology, since you have to spend a lot of time defining the status quo, as well as the whole concept of "maintenance".

    That is absurd logic. Even an actual conservative would say that is stupid.

    That is just plain retarded. The rest are not liberals. Constitutionalists are often the reverse of conservatives. Hence you have people like Ron Paul who are constitutionalists opposed to the majority of conservative republicans. Libertarians, whether American or otherwise, are not conservative for the very fact they are called libertarian and not conservative. Jesus, are you really that ignorant?
     
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    But it is different everywhere you go. In America the status quo is our constitution, which as you mentioned is a liberal document. Therefore, American Conservatives abide by the constitution and support the likes of Ron Paul and Gary Johnson.
     
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    No, it isnt. The constitution is a document. The "status quo" is a state of society. The only thing the constitution has to do with that is the limits and constraints on applying conservative objectives in maintaing society in the manner they see fit.

    status quo
       [kwoh] Show IPA
    noun
    the existing state or condition.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/status+quo

    Notice how the constitution is irrelevant?

    But American conservatives do not support Ron Paul and Gary Johnson - they support Mitt Romney. They do this because Paul and Johnson are constitutionalists and consequently, NOT conservatives. Instead, they are libertarian, and thus, do not support the objectives of conservatives which are not about an7ything constitutional, rather the forging of their own world view which they proclaim as an attempt to maintain the "status quo" in some idealized, bs sense.
     
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    Now you're just arguing semantics.

    Ron Paul is a constitutional conservative.
     
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    For you it is all about hatred because that is what Islam is all about, anyone who dares to probe Islam is consider a hater.

    Thanks to today's technology, many Muslims are starting to wake up to the reality of Islam and we are witnessing that with the on going uprising in Arab countries Muslims are starting to defy their leaders and are asking us the West the none Muslims to help them regain their freedom.

    Abrogation as I have pointed it in Islam is about abrogating good verses with violent verses. Why can't Muslims abrogate violent verses with good verses just like Christians do?

    Very simple question and the answer I am sure to get is "you hate Islam".

    Muslims will continue to ignore their problems by kept on brainwashing themselves with their quranic chants to remind themselves that Islam is great, Islam is great, Islam is great :brainless::gallery:
     
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    Allahu Akbar :)
     
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    Typical Muslims respond, that is why Muslims will always remain trap, and they'll always come to us for help and as good Christians we will help Muslims, in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, God's will be done Amen. :pray:
     
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    Subhanallah. Ameen. :D
     
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    Sorry, I don't understand Islamic language.
     
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    That's quite obvious to all who read your "arguments." Its Arabic, btw not "Islamic language." LOL Such idiocy.
     
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    Why are you so angry over something you clearly know so little about?
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhan'Allah
    Subhan'Allāh (Arabic سبحان الله) is an Arabic phrase often translated as "Glorious is God."
     
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    Sure you do. You know it better than I do, remember?

    Masha'Allah :D
     
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