Was Jesus without sin?

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  1. Beast Mode

    Beast Mode New Member

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    So I was thinking, always a bad thing for a soulless meat puppet like myself to do, about the statement 'Jesus was without sin'.

    So, it made me curious; what exactly is a sin? What are they and how many are there? So I googled. It popped out all sorts of different stuff, but this particular list seemed the most useful for answering my question:

    http://www.wogim.org/sinlist.htm

    I haven't evaluated all 667 (spooky) sins on the list one by one, so I've not empirically concluded if Jesus was 'without' any of these things. But then I came across another interesting question...

    Did Jesus actually become "sin" on the cross?


    The supporting verse is: NIV i think 2 Cor 5:20-21 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he (God) made him (Jesus) to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

    I can't seem to see past my own blinding Sin to make sense of any of this. What is Sin? Did Jesus avoid Sin for his entire life or just during the time he was evangelizing? How is it that Jesus became Sin? Does anybody have clear explanations?
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think the answers you'd get from the evangelists group would be that sin is violating God's commandments or moral lawsn whether in heart or deed, Jesus was the only man who did not committ sin, and when Jesus died on the cross for us He bore our sin before God so that we could be justified from sin before God.
     
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    Yes the Lord is without sin.
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    If Jesus was without Sin why did he not cast the first stone?
     
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    Because it is God the Father who will mete out the measure of punishment,,, NOT the Son of God.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My take is that Jesus was teaching that we are all equally sinners before God. He did not come to condemn sinners but offer salvation.
     
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    ...but they're the same thing?
     
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    But if he was not a sinner himself, then by his own statement he should have cast the first stone.
     
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    Jesus never existed, he only exists in the minds of human beings. Since hes a fictional character, then you are free to give him whatever attributes you wish too.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I suppose He could have, but that would be inconsistent with His mission, which was not to condemn sinners but offer salvation.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is certainly some debate as to whether He ever existed, but that is a seperate issue. The questions posed in the OP presumes He did.
     
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    So he wasn't God?

    Because the Bible says God condemns sinners.
     
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    Is it a seperate issue? As I stated, "Since hes a fictional character, then you are free to give him whatever attributes you wish too." These atttributes include whether or not Jesus was or was not with in sin.

    The OP can answer their own question.
     
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    I presumed the OP question was based on what is in the Bible. Otherwise it is meaningless.
     
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    Since you want to presume answers on trillogies, I'll pose this question: Was Yoda without sin?
     
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    Start a thread on it. I'm sure you'll have lots of interested participants.
     
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    The evangelical response as I understand it would be that God condemns sinners because that is just, but we are justified from sin before God because Jesus paid for our sin by His death on the cross.
     
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    That did not answer my question.
     
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    Your question "so he wasn't God" is one of belief. The evangelical belief is that Jesus was God as part of the Trinnity, a doctrine that was confirmed a couple centuries after His death. The Bible itself IMO leads to different interpretations, but my opinion is not the traditional Christian one.
     
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    Ok, so if Jesus was God, then why didn't he cast the first stone?
     
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    You're kidding, right?!

    Once the 1st stone was cast, the rest would have fallen in and followed......He was setting 'the example' of not judging another
     
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    The short answer is because Jesus came to seek and save the lost sheep of Israel. To understand that scene, it's better to read the gospels in their entirety because Jesus takes up the Pharisees and many others on their hypocrisy. And that's the subtext of this story, that the very people set to stone this woman were themselves guilty of the very same crime. With Christ's words came a conviction that pierced every one of them until nobody could hold a stone in their hand. For all have sinned.
     
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    Because as I understand the concept of the Trinity, while Jesus is God, He is also different from God as is the Holy Spirit. It has never made logical sense to me and as I understand it, it just has to be something taken on faith.
     
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    But I thought Jesus was God and it's God's job to judge others?

    Was Jesus not God at the time?
     

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