Ayesha, wife of prophet Muhammed was 6, had sex at 9.

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    The thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people. It is difficult to accept that the Holy Prophet married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old.

    Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
    'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
    Narrated 'Aisha:
    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
    Narrated 'Aisha:
    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
    Narrated 'Ursa:
    The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

    Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is of course not true and here is the proof.

    Sahih Bukhari 7.18
    Narrated 'Ursa:
    The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

    Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules to abide. Yet they had some code of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it. A adopted son’s wife was deemed to be a daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was customary that close friends made a pact of brotherhood and considered each other as true brothers. The Prophet disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or whims.

    Abu Bakr and Muhammad had pledged to each other to be brothers. So according to their costoms Ayesha was supposed to be like a niece to the Holy Prophet. Yet that did not stop him to ask her hand even when she was only six years old.

    But this moral relativist Prophet would use the same excuse to reject a woman he did not like.
    Sahih Bukhari V.7, B62, N. 37
    Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
    It was said to the Prophet, "Won't you marry the daughter of Hamza?" He said, "She is my foster niece (brother's daughter). "

    Hamza and Abu Bakr both were the foster brothers of Muhammad. But Ayesha must have been too pretty for the Prophet to abide by the codes of ethics and custom.

    In the following Hadith he confided to Ahesha that he had dreamed of her before soliciting her from her father.

    Sahih Bukhari 9.140
    Narrated 'Aisha:
    Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.

    Whether Muhammad had actually such dream or he just said it to please Ayesha is not the point. What matters here is that it indicates that Ayesaha was a baby being “carried” by an angel when the Prophet dreamed of her.

    There are numerous hadithes that explicitly reveal the age of Ayesha at the time of her marriage. Here are some of them.

    Sahih Bukhari 5.236.
    Narrated Hisham's father:
    Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

    Sahih Bukhari 5.234
    Narrated Aisha:
    The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

    And in another Hadith we read.

    Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915, also Number 4916 and Number 4917
    Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
    The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.

    In the above hadith we read that Ayesha was swinging, This is a play of little girls not grown up people. The following Hadith is particularly interesting because it shows that Ayesha was so small that was not aware what was going on when the Holy Prophet “surprised” her by going to her.

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 90
    Narrated Aisha:
    When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah's Apostle to me in the forenoon.


    Must have been quite a surprise! But the following is also interesting because it demonstrates that she was just a kid playing with her dolls. Pay attention to what the interpreter wrote in the parenthesis. (She was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty)


    Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151
    Narrated 'Aisha:
    I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)


    Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311
    'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

    The holy Prophet died when he was 63. So he must have married Ayesha when he as 51 and went to her when he was 54.

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 33
    Narrated 'Aisha:
    I never felt so jealous of any woman as I did of Khadija, though she had died three years before the Prophet married me, and that was because I heard him mentioning her too often, and because his Lord had ordered him to give her the glad tidings that she would have a palace in Paradise, made of Qasab and because he used to slaughter a sheep and distribute its meat among her friends.


    Khadija died in December of 619 AD. That is two years before Hijra. At that time the Prophet was 51-years-old. So in the same year that Khadija died the prophet married Ayesha and took her to his home 3 years later, i.e. one year after Hijra. But until she grow up he married Umm Salama.

    In another part Ayesha claims that as long as she remembers her parents were always Muslims.

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 245

    Narrated 'Aisha:
    (the wife of the Prophet) I never remembered my parents believing in any religion other than the true religion (i.e. Islam),



    If Ayesha was older i.e. 16 or 18 as some Muslims claim, she would have remembered the religion of her parents prior to becoming Muslims.

    Now someone may still claim that all these hadithes are lies. People are free to say whatever they want. But truth is clear like the Sun for those who have eyes.

    No sane person would be aroused by a 9-year-old child. Decent people wince at the thought of this shameful act. Yet some Muslims deny them. The question is why so many followers of Muhammad would fabricate so many false hadithes about the age of Ayisha, which incidentally confirm each other?

    I can tell you why people would attribute false miracles to their prophet. Babis believe that Bab started to praise God as soon as he was born. There is a Hadith like that also about Muhammad. Christians believe the birth of the Christ was miraculous and the Jews believe Moses opened a dry passageway through the Red Sea. Believers love to hear these stories. It confirms their faith. There are many absurd miracles attributed to Muhammad in the hadiths, despite the fact that he denied being able to perform any miracles. But why should anyone fabricate a lie about the age of Ayisha that would portray his Prophet as a pedophile?

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.html
     
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    And to people who say or think such actions were justifiable in those days....

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    Principles of morality and good are true for all time.

    Principles of divine Allah-given morality and truth are especially true for all time, because they are Divine.

    Either Muhammed's marriage to Aishe was divinely sanctioned then -and therefore morally right then and now- or it was not divinely sanctioned. therefore wrong then as it must be wrong now...because Allah.s morality is absolute for all time.

    You have to decide:
    1. Are you moral absolutists, confident in the eternal unchanging good of God, and therefore endorse paedophilia as a permitted good sanctioned by Allah (in which case you are true Muslims that must subscribe to paedophilia)... or

    2. Are you modernist secular relativist who use cultural relativist arguments to state that what people did in the past was "good" then but not "good" now -and in effect, that there is no good or bad- and that therefore you do not subscribe to paedophilia, and are therefore not a true Muslim...but you are at least a decent person by today's relative standards.

    There is another third alternative.

    There is a universal eternal standard of good, about which we are confused, and one that does not endorse paedophilia, and there may even be an Allah to boot: But Muhammed et al have no more to do with authentic goodness and morality- or even with the real Allah- than does the Val-an Gong cult of China. In other words, you can believe in goodness and God without needing to apologise for a rubbish religion called Islam, or any other rubbish religion....with all their moral confusions, including endorsement of paedophilia.
     
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    Well, at least he was straight!

    That Jesus, on the other hand, was a real swinger if the scriptures are to be believed!

    Just about the time Jesus was finished healing the ear of the servant of the high priest named Malchus, the Gospel of Mark tells us a naked young man was found in the Garden of Gethsemane. Mark 15:51,52 says, "And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: and he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked."

    Who was this young man? Why was he following Jesus? Why was he naked? Why was he draped in a linen cloth instead of wearing normal clothes? And why was the Holy Spirit so careful to include this unique story in Mark's account of the Gospel? :laughing: What is the significance of this event?

    ...


    http://www.touchandchange.com/artman/publish/article_1697.shtml
     
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    this guy likes it



    Arrest announced in death, assault of 6-year-old

    The Associated Press

    Friday, July 13, 2012 | 3:24 a.m.

    A man has been arrested in the death a 6-year-old Utah girl after authorities say he sneaked into her home through a sliding glass door in the middle of the night, then raped and killed the child.

    Terry Lee Black, 41, a neighbor of the girl who attends the same Mormon church as her family, has been charged with aggravated murder, kidnapping and rape of a child, Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill said Tuesday.

    Police in West Jordan, about 15 miles south of Salt Lake City, say Sierra Newbold's body was found June 26 in a canal near her home.

    According to a probable cause affidavit, the child's mother last saw her at about 10:30 p.m. the night before. On the morning of June 26, the woman told police she noticed a sliding glass door in the family's home was open and the girl wasn't in her bed.

    Authorities mounted a search and soon found the girl's pink pajamas and undergarments in a field a short distance away from the home, according to court documents.

    Her body was then found floating face down in a nearby canal. An autopsy revealed the girl was sexually assaulted and strangled but the official cause of death was drowning.

    Black was arrested on June 29 after robbing a Wells Fargo bank, authorities said.

    West Jordan Police Chief Douglas Diamond said Black had stolen a car earlier in the day and drove it to the bank. Diamond said when he left the bank after the robbery, Black attempted to get into the stolen car, but was confronted by a friend of the vehicle's owner who just happened to be in the parking lot.

    Black then fled on foot and was arrested nearby, Diamond said.

    He said alert police officers then noticed Black lived in an apartment near the canal where the young girl's body was found, and that debris on his clothing appeared similar to debris found in the field where the child's clothing was discovered.

    Gil said Newbold's DNA was then found on Black's body.

    Diamond called Black's arrest "divine intervention."

    "This crime could have gone a totally different direction had it not been for (the detective) being able to see beyond the obvious and connect the dots," Diamond said. "We could have just booked him into jail and never realized he was our murder suspect."

    Black remained held Tuesday on $2 million bond. It wasn't immediately clear if he had an attorney. A telephone message left at his home on Tuesday wasn't returned.

    http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/jul/13/us-girl-dead-utah/


    that guy shares that whether it be muhammad or just another american
     
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    WOW...

    ... waiting until 9 for sex activity...
    Sounds like America in the 21st century and I thought the muslims were backwards.
     
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    Is this intended to be slight against 21st century American values where sexuality is concerned? As in, kids today are getting into the hanky panky early on because they're not old-fashioned enough anymore?

    If so, I'd just like to let you know that few in this age or any other would ever approve of 9-year-olds becoming sexually active, and that it was at least as likely in the past as it is now, if not more so. Reason? We have stricter laws in place today, plus we're very aware as a society of human psychology and now it may be damaged, especially during the childhood years. Plus, we just don't look kindly on child marriage in modern America, whereas marrying off girls at a very young age used to be the norm, even in Western cultures.
     
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    The entire Islam religion is based on the claim that Mohammed was a prophet of God.

    However, prophets of God do not have sex with children.

    Therefore, Mohammed was not a prophet of God.

    And therefore, Islam is a false religion.
     
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    That's right! Prophets of God are into young men!


     
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    Would this be the same god that commanded his followers to kill everyone in a city except the virginal girls that were to be taken as sex slaves?
     
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    Mary was only 12 when she had jesus....so god is a pedo as well.
     
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    Heh! That little issue actually came up in this:

    [video=youtube;5MeOmV2Exe0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MeOmV2Exe0[/video]
     
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    We don't know how old Mary was. Who says she was 12? And my understanding is that in ancient cultures girls were considered women as soon as they had their first period, which is about 12.

    As far as Old Testament commands to kill people I can't explain it. I look at the New Testament and try to live by that.
     
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    You're a jackass.
     
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    looking forward to a link with your source Mary was 12.
     
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    Mary was capable of getting pregnant.
     
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    Mary was Virgo, not a real person.
     
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    The Babylonian Talmud, written by Jews for Jews, has extensive procedures for adults having sex with toddlers. They were always checking for two pubic hairs. http://www.come-and-hear.com/niddah/niddah_52.html

    http://www.come-and-hear.com/kethuboth/kethuboth_11.html

    BTW, the age of consent used to be 10 in England. Think about that the next time you watch a Robin Hood movie.

    There's a good example of Jewish marriage customs in the book of Tobit (14 chapters) http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=tobit&version=CEB. They were big fans of marrying relatives.

    Mohammed didn't care who he married, old, young, or in between. But none of them were his relatives. Rebekah had a hissy fit when Esau refused to marry his relatives. In the whole Bible Esau is the only person that God said that he hated. And that's one of the biggest jokes in the Bible.
     
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    Mary was also MARRIED at that age, to an older man. Joseph wasn't a teenager, he would have been a good ten to twenty years older. What man marries a 12 year old kid?
     
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    So if you are capable of getting pregnant it is okay for someone to have sex with you?
     
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    What man marries a 12 year old kid?, = evidently our ancestors. In the United States, by the 1880s, most states set the age of consent at 10–12, and in one state, Delaware, the age of consent was only 7. A New York Times article states that it was still aged 7 in Delaware in 1895. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent
     
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    Yep, modern Christians seem apt to forget even fairly recent history where it's convenient. American Christians used to marry children as well as keep African slaves and endorse the practice.

    But anyway, I still think it's pointless discussing a mythical character as though she had been real. Jesus is like Hercules, a solar hero and a demigod, yet some majority of people today think he was real while a great many, if they've even heard of Hercules anywhere outside of the show starring Kevin Sorbo, likely know better than to think he really walked the Earth. Neither do they believe in his father, Jupiter/Zeus.

    Of course, they all deserve to have lightning bolts shoved up their backsides for eternity for rejecting da truf.
     
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    Response: The consummation of a marriage in islam is not sex, nor does consummation just mean sex. The word also means "to complete". Thus the hadith says that Muhammad completed the marriage of Aisha at 9, in which is was comlpleted when she lived with him at 9.


    Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
    'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

    Furthermore, Muhammad married Aisha not off his own desires, but in accordance to revelation from Allah. So that does not make him a pedophile becuse he did not have interest in Aisha.

    Furthermore, the age of consent was 10 until the 19th century, in which society was still progressive even until the industrial revolution. This shows that sexual relations like that of Muhammad and Aisha was normal and not considered pedophilia.

    Furthermore, Aisha grew to be a leader and scholar and a noble women who herself sates that Muhammad treated her kindly.

    In short, there was no harm brought to Aisha as a result of her marriage. So by calling the marriage pedohilia when there was no harm as a result of the marriage would mean that according to your own logic, pedophila is a good thing, since it produced a harmless relationship in which Aisha grew to be a leader and scholar. Debunked as usual.
     
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    It's only just over FIFTY years since Jerry Lee Lewis arrived to tour England with his 13 year old wife in tow, and barely escaped arrest. Playing down her tender age, Myra insisted that where she came from you could marry at ten, if you could find a man... People in glass houses...
     

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