Jews are at the point where they admit everything

Its not enough, we are long pass the general accusations, if you want to debate with the big kids you need to supply evidence to support your claims, it seems to me that when i counter you, instead of defending your claim you regress to general accusations: "you cant defend Zionism, everyone knows......." , honey baby if you have a claim - support it - don't try that mind games on me - im too busy, this site (*)(*)(*)(*)s my gaming time!

If you have evidence of a kid 8-15y old that is rotting in Israeli jail i'd like to know about it, if its true ILL protest against it.

It works both ways y'know,

Don't claim only you know the TRUTH, your sight is way to narrow for that, sorry, but I think that ppl that believe in "evil" are naive...., we are all humans and have the same flaws and merits, most will do the same in the same situations, you dont need evil master mind above it all, just a normal man with normal motives.


Sadly, in the (*)(*)(*)(*) we are in, both Palestinians and Israelis need a true "hero" statesman to deliver us from this mess, normal ppl just cant do it. (we had one in the 90's).

Finally, someone that address's the "US fights for Israel" BS...

I find it amusing that man that has so many conspiracy theories (and failed to give one logical argument about them) tells me I live in a bubble...,

I'm just an Israeli, probably as BAD as the rest of 'em,
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Strange to hear from you a reference to individual human beings, usually its "Zionists", "Jews" or "Zionist Jews", yes, ppl are ppl and differ from each other and it makes no difference where they were born, only what that person says or does.

I'm happy to learn Norman has an opinion......

Who is he exactly......?

If states were ppl I suppose we all be behind bars,

Paranoia means fear from something that shouldn't be feared, -
There were 8 wars between Israel and its Arab neighbors, thousands of soldiers gave their lives for the rest, thousands more died or wounded from terror attacks, when you are surrounded and threatened you are not being paranoid, if Israel wouldn't act as it did then I would probably not be alive by now.


If I'm so wrong on the above than it can easily be fixed, Arabs can accept Israel and reduce the threat to minimum level, very easy see?

The Iran issue has roots beyond the threats their president made, they actively fight against Israel and it doesn't matter they don't use their own soldiers to do it, we get the message.
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Hello???? 48 war? cease fire lines? no peace agreement? continues breaching the cease fire by Syria, closing the canal, crossing tanks into Sinai??? what are you talking about??????

Hey, don't hate us because we are beautiful

lol, its not about self love that we "demand" you accept us...., (you are a bit naive Jack), it for diplomacy, you think we care if you like us or not?

By accepting the Arabs withdarw from their "right" to wage war with us, sure , its just a piece of paper but if you break it afterwards, well, the gloves are off.

The rest of the world trades with Israel and accept it naturally.

Again, I get a feint sense that you don't like us very much but if have a point here give some evidence that i can relate to.

All the things you say apply to the other side, the Russian and Arb nations as well, together with UN violations.

You wont get anywhere pointing your finger at others, it takes 2 to Tango.

Maybe, so?

OK

But they did and it was a GOOOOD thing!

Maybe

Probably, if its was objective #1 or just a side bonus, Bush was pissed and decided to act like a cowboy does, not a good day to be an enemy of the US...

Surely you do not believe there was no reason that did not involve profit and resources?

Israel economy was NOT benefited , the Oil price jumped up not down.

The integrator? again you find an Israel;i and everything becomes "clear" to you.......


US and Israel work together always, btw, im sure you'll find a Saudi in both 9/11 AND Iraq too, what does that tell ye???

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This is not a fact but rather an opinion which leans towards being false. It is undeniable that Israel was a factor of the war, but the degree of such is debatable:

As usual, neither extreme is correct. Nothing involving the US and the Middle East happens without consideration, if not the actual involvement, of Israel. Israel is always a factor in American strategy in the region, both as a tool and ally and as a friend whose interests are a concern. For some in policymaking positions, Israel’s interests are America’s interests—not because they favor Israel, but because they believe (quite incorrectly, we would contend) that America’s interests are best served by having their staunchest ally as the dominant force in the region.
http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/content/did-israel-lead-us-war-iraq

 

There is more to an economy than just oil. Iraq was a threat to Israel and threats discourage investments which weakens the economy. The removal of such threats encourages investments which helps economic growth. The Israeli economy grew from 2003 - 2008: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/israel/gdp-growth

 

So is Iran, so is Saudi Arabia, so is Egypt...so are the Russians and the Chinese for this matter. All these countries and interests are certainly pieces of the Middle Eastern puzzle which makes your statement meaningless and misleading. Needless to say you've provided zero evidence that the war in Iraq had anything at all to do with Israel.

 

Yawn, what a bunch of nonsense. Iraq was the least of Israel's worries and had nothing to do with Israel's economy which did not grow (or grew slowly) before 2003 due to the global recession at the time and started to grow fast when the world's economy rebounded.

 

It was not my statement but rather that from the Jewish Voice for Peace. You are correct that Egypt is also a factor, but the question is the degree of relevance of the factor. If you are trying to claim that the Egypt factor carries much more weight than the Israel factor, then I doubt that anyone in Washington will buy your argument. Even you won't. As for providing evidence, I showed that Israel is recognized as being a relevant factor and the degree of such relevance is what is debated.

 

"Israel is a relevant factor in the ME" (perhaps more relevant than Egypt but certainly less relevant by far than Russia and China) and "the Iraq war was a war for Israel" are two totally unrelated statements.

 

Your claim might make sense if you can prove that Israel was begging for its own destruction:

[FONT=arial,helvetica]Saddam Urges 'Holy War' on Israel[/FONT]
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/12/26/204715.shtml

 

LOL, don't they all urge holy war on Israel? Saddam was a loudmouth, nothing more and Israel knew it full well. After the bloody Iran-Iraq war, after the destruction of Osirak and his failed attempt to annex Kuwait he was not a threat to Israel.

 

If so, then where is your proof to prove that Israel was wrong in believing that Saddam was a threat? It is wonderful that you are convinced that Americans are so stupid that they will believe any nonsense you tell them, but can you back your claims with more than hot air?

WMD Report Confirms Saddam’s Threat..
http://www.jewishawareness.org/wmd-report-confirms-saddams-threat/

 

You are right of course, there is no such proof because Israel did not beleive Saddam was a threat which shows that the war in Iraq could not have been for Israel.

 

This is the "I believe that Americans are endlessly stupid" argument. Now, where are the facts to support your claim? You'll never provide any facts to support your argument because you are convinced that Americans are endlessly stupid.

 

I actually agreed with your statement that Israel did not see Iraq as a threat. Of course it contradicts your claim tha the war in Iraq was for Israel so you should immediately apologize for the slander.

 

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Gilos if you are the face of the "jew", "zionist", "talmudic jew" or the "filth" that Jack and his buddies often refer to, I'll take you and your people any day over his.

You are the best example of tolerance, humanity, fairness and openmindedness that I have come across on this forum. And that, despite being called things that no one else is being called. You shame them with every level-headed and generous post you write. Keep it up.

 

Um no you couldn't debunk a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing thing because Rupert Murdoch is not a Jew and your quotes did not claim that he was a Jew only that he supports the state of Israel as does every freedom loving Islamic Imperialist hating human being on the planet, the only people who do not support the only liberal democracy in the Middle East are Islamic Imperialists, neo-Nazi's, or far left fanatics, regardless the fact that Rupert Murdoch supports the continued existence of Israel in know way proves your assertion that he is a Jew or that Jews control the media, that is what we call a red herring, I have already proven that Jews do not control the media and that you are completely full of (*)(*)(*)(*).

Followed closely by Egypt, in fact the Arabs get far more economic and military aid than Israel ever has, regardless the fact that Israel receives considerable aid in know way proves your assertion that Jews control the media, that is what we call a red herring, I have already proven that Jews do not control the media and that you are completely full of (*)(*)(*)(*).

Can you provide an official quote from an AIPAC spokesmen calling Ron Paul an enemy of the American people? Can you provide a quote from a high ranking official within AIPAC addressing Ron Paul as an enemy of the American people or AIPAC adopting that as their official policy?

When they were committing espionage were they working within their capacity as AIPAC members?

The Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA) only requires groups which receive money from foreign governments to register as foreign agents can you provide evidence that they are funded in whole or in part by the Israeli government?

Yes AIPAC is a powerful lobby within Washington DC but to assert that they are more powerful or influential than Arab oil money is freaking laughable, and regardless the fact that Israel like all nation-states in the world tries to further their own self interests in no way proves your assertion that Jews control the media, that is what we call a red herring, I have already proven that Jews do not control the media and that you are completely full of (*)(*)(*)(*).

9-11 did in fact wake the U.S. public to the dangers of Islamic Imperialist radicalism which is a danger that Israel has faced for 50+ years so he wasn't wrong was he? Regardless the fact that Netanyahu believes that 9-11 helped Israel in their war against Islamic Imperialist aggression in no way proves your assertion that Jews control the media, that is what we call a red herring, I have already proven that Jews do not control the media and that you are completely full of (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

yes Gilos is by far one of the most balanced posters on this board. do keep it up.

 

Some on this thread are so anti-Jewish, it seems that they must have been indoctrinated, more-so than informed. Their attempt to appear objective about good Jews and evil Zionists suggests to me, an outsider, that a good Jew is one who makes a door mat of himself/herself or chooses subjection to be driven like fallen leaves in a strong wind. And of course, any Jew not complying with this tactful ultimatum is an evil Zionist. Show me a Jewish sinner and I will show you a Zionist. Show me a Jewish doormat and I will show you purity. They wipe their feet on God. Such are the condemners of Israel, and come to think of it, the adversary of all humanity. One would think that judging with such feigned lucidity, that they could at least perceive their own pompous arrogance and self righteousness in contrast with their own unworthiness and fallen nature. But nay.....better to heap it on the Jews.

 

No it is not an opinion, there is absolutely 0 evidence that the U.S. went to war at the behest of Israel, I don't need to prove my assertion or disprove his as he simply made an outlandish claim and offered no evidence to support it and neither have you.

 

It is your side that has to provide evidence, we did not make a claim, it is you and that Nazi (*)(*)(*)(*) who made a claim without providing a single scrap of evidence to support it, the burden of proof is on you and him not us, I for one am content with calling you both liars and leaving it that until you see fit to provide some evidence to support your assertions, and maybe he can prove that the Jews control the media or the banks while he's at it.

 

Such ad hominems are in full compliance with the "I believe that Americans are endlessly stupid" theory. If you would like to distant your position from the typical "Americans are gullible and stupid" theory so frequently expressed here, then attempt to challenge my comment in post 327. Until then, pesronal attacks and insults won't cut it.

 

Repeating such claims over and over and over again might fool gullible American Guilt Complex members, assuming that they are as stupid as one believes them to be, but such doesn't refute my argument.

 

So if you're upset about how many Jews are in hollywood, make your own movie studio -- movie cameras come on figgin' cell phones now. Costs have fallen to the point that just about anyone could produce a movie. So make a new WHITEYWOOD somewhere in Montana and see if you can get people to view your stuff. Making and distributing a movie is pretty cheap. Just get a website with enough bandwidth, upload a few teasers on Youtube, tweet and facebook about it, and if it's good, you'll get noticed. Of course you won't do any of this, 'cause you aren't as good as those Jewish directors you hate.

 

This claim will certainly fool gullible American Guilt Complex members, if they are seriously as stupid as you seem to believe them as being. Yet, it doesn't take much effort to confirm that your claim is based on non-existing data.

 

thank you for the clarification. I no longer think of you as a racist, merely a bigot. You simply hate jews.

I don't think you hate jews, I know you hate jews. Your "legit concerns about Israeli action" are expressed in bigoted and hateful language and you use the terms jew, Israeli and zionist interchangeably.

I don't know who you are trying to fool besides yourself, because most intelligent, informed people just won't buy what you are trying so desperately to sell.

 

Far more critical???

Show me one post here, by a Zionist, that has been AT ALL critical, of the WEALTH of filth, perversion, and criminality, carried out by the Jewish state, and their enablers, in the US, IPAC and such?

They do not denounce the child prisoners, the check points, the issue of permits (go look at how many are issued and what the process is), for people to move around, IN THEIR OWN LAND. They do not denounce the use of fecking WP on villages full of people, kids, babies.

Why do you think they are silent?

They approve of it.

They support it.

Why should I criticise a title? Who cares about a thread title when tonight, as you can fuss over a title, children go ANOTHER night, locked in a PRISON CELL, made by Jews (unless Israeli's are Sikh), for the purpose of interning non Jewish kids, yeah, you go ahead, you bash on with semantics and titles, and I'll bash on with what really matters. It is Israel who are doing all of this, not Iran, not any country in Europe. Israel. What % of the worlds Jews now live in Israel? A third? Then unless they are actively campaigning against their Gov's and it's CRIMINAL policies, then they are ALL complicit, they are all guilty.

And to that you can add all Zionist Jews, who don't live in Israel, but are like agents, hosted on other countries, like the US, to subvert the US into turning a blind eye, while Jews can operate outwith the law.

So, those Jews would also be complicit and have blood on their hands, no denial.

What % of Jews DO NOT support the state of Israel, and its actions?

Do you really now think a majority don't?