Candidate Calls Holocaust 'Blackest Lie In History'

That's good to know. I'll just wear thicker glasses. You are far braver than me, Margot.

 

It could be 6 million it could be less. The Nazis had a lot of technology courtesy of companies like IBM that helped them manage large numbers of people in and out of the camps, so I'm sure that helped.

The problem is with the record keeping of the times. The soviets killed close to 20 million Russians, Poles, Ukrainians, etc. Will we ever know just how many? No. Same with the Dirty War.

 

I get that people exaggerate and some outright lie for whatever ulterior motive. To me 400,000 people being butchered vs 800,000 people being butchered has the same effect on me. Citations on numbers of people who have died during a genocide or war are effected by how accurate historical records such as birth and death certificates are.

During WWII you had huge populations being moved in mass all over the world. It is quite understandable that there aren't exact numbers on who ended up dying where and by what means. Death certificates were also falsified in Nazi Germany. Families in Germany for example received death certificates for their disabled family members that were exterminated. The death certs listed erroneous causes such as appendicitis even though the person had had their appendix removed years before. There are lots of reasons that there may be discrepancies in numbers, not all of them sinister or manipulative in nature.

Being purposelessly deceitful is wrong but I think that genocide is a sensitive subject so it is understandable that people go immediately on the defensive when you question how bad the events really were.

 

I agree with all that you've said. It is a sensitive subject, of this we call can attest. To those in eastern Europe, those forgotten by Americans during the Cold War they feel that same sense of anxiety talking about the soviets with their gulags and detentions where people were never heard from again. My family gets highly emotional about communism. However, to threaten people with federal authorities over words is frightening.

I'm honestly disturbed at the turn of events on this thread. As pretty much everyone will attest, Leatherface has never been kind to me about Ron Paul, or on the Sandra Fluke threads, but threatening him with the FBI is not something I can let go.

It's just not right. I feel very weird and uncomfortable right now. Can we no longer challenge subjects or talk in provocative and controversial ways about controversial subjects?

How is this any different than Muslims saying we cannot talk about Mohammad?

Guys and gals, I don't like this. Not at all.

 

The difference is that the U.S. government or European governments won't arrest you and send you to prison if you say the Soviets killed only 18 million folks.....but if you say that the Nazis killed 3 million instead of 6 million you will go to jail.....:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

 

Look, I don't want this to become an antisemitic thing, because quite frankly I don't have time or patience for that.

For me this is a free speech thing and regardless of what I personally feel (that Jews, gypsies, Poles, Catholics, communists, gays, etc were starved, worked, and killed by the Nazi's), someone should be able to question it without federal authorities being brought in. The great irony is that it is on a thread about a group of people that first and foremost stifled speech. I realize my fellow posters get angry, righteously so, when the horrific treatment of fellow human travelers is questioned, but instead of defending it with facts an unrighteous threat was made.

As for you, don't continue to pester me with this now because something larger is going on and you will make it worse.

 

I'm repeating myself because I've noticed on a thread that went to 15 pages in heartbeat no one seems willing to talk about this subject now that the FBI was brought into the conversation.

I agree with all that you've said. It is a sensitive subject, of this we call can attest. To those in eastern Europe, those forgotten by Americans during the Cold War they feel that same sense of anxiety talking about the soviets with their gulags and detentions where people were never heard from again. My family gets highly emotional about communism. However, to threaten people with federal authorities over words is frightening.

I'm honestly disturbed at the turn of events on this thread. As pretty much everyone will attest, Leatherface has never been kind to me about Ron Paul, or on the Sandra Fluke threads, but threatening him with the FBI is not something I can let go.

It's just not right. I feel very weird and uncomfortable right now. Can we no longer challenge subjects or talk in provocative and controversial ways about controversial subjects?

How is this any different than Muslims saying we cannot talk about Mohammad?

Guys and gals, I don't like this. Not at all.

 

I agree completely with the bolded parts of your post......as for pestering you because of "larger things going on"......I totally agree as well....you just need to know that, regardless of the 1st amendment, the one thing that no person is allowed to deviate from the corporate line on is the "Holocaust (TM)".......

 

Hopefully just stated in jest.

Its interesting to read or hear about how different populations process this kind of atrocity happening to them. Imagine how one would feel about their grandparents having either committed mass murder or survived one.

 

It did not appear to be in jest.

What is interesting in a horrific way is that even given those atrocities we've still seen genocide all across the globe. Perhaps, it was the efficiency of the Nazis or the era itself that draws the attention. Stalin killed more, Mao, too. We've seen Rwanda, Sudan, Cambodia, Argentina--terror and mass killings in all these places and yet we turn a blind eye.

The Holocaust museum had cards about the Sudan, asking people to write the government to "help" and I thought at the time, that you can create and keep up this awesome museum as a memorial to the past and only distribute cards to stop future genocides. It seems that we only revere and have empathy for people that a) look like us and b) once they are gone.

Very tragic.

 

They were at about waist level. The people were naked and couldn't have prevented the spread of the gas. We are making assumptions, but my experience in the past as an exterminator tells me it probably suspended well, as those types of chemicals need to permeate all kinds of areas of a room to be effective.

 

It went well.
I don't quite see an equivalency with building factories for human extermination, though, do you?

But then, you think that is just a bunch of whooey, right? The Holocaust (TM) as you put it.

 

So your government killing German women and children and putting them in concentration camps based on their race is OK with you.....got it....understood

 

So they inflicted them on the Palestinians.

 

Based on the number of survivors the camps were the best thing to have ever happened to them. There must be millions of them 67 years after the war.

 

I pray I am misreading your intent with this post. I'm hoping I just don't get it.

 

The guy should know by now that you have to profess to believe in Jewish fairy tales to get elected to a political office in America. The people that don't have been rarer than chicken teeth. If he had lied he would have been a shoo-in.

 

I well know what a dearth of vision is like. I was born with 20/400 on the right side due to darkness. It can't be fixed though. The eye is deformed. You can't tell it just looking at me though.

 

Did everyone drink from a cup of mean juice tonight? I don't understand the issue. So it wasn't 6 million that died, it was still millions and those that didn't die lived with fear, with their friends turning on them, with their property stolen.

Seriously.

 

Please use your critical thinking skills. There were people who survived the concentration camps without suffering a hangnail.

 

Holocaust denial is jew hating revisionist bullcrap. The pinheads how believe it are simply ignorant or as convict denier Ernst Zunel has stated the agenda is to rehabilitate national socialism (nazism). thats why you see a lot of this shyte on stormfront and national vanguard.

Yes the numbers are in dispute and nobody can definitively say how many died.
The gas chambers most definitely existed and revisionist idiots like Leuchter whose mickey mouse amateur hour "report" on the auschwitz gas chambers is thoroughly and competely debunked.
Yes there are a number of apocraphyl stories that have since been debunked. Yes there are some loathsome people who have lied about their experience for their own gain. But for every one of those stories there are tens of thousand of stories that tell the tale in all its horrific detail.

And by the by David Irving had his day in court. Guess what? he lost and lost badly and was forced to retract his statements and apologize - oooooh that smarts.

If you are a jew hater, believing this garbage gives you a convenient rationalization for your hatred. Anytime you'd like to actually get educated about revisionism and holocaust denial and the truly scummy people at its forefront, I'd be delighted to provide it for you.

 

The corpses didn't burn all the way in the ovens typically because of the loads that were put in them...

 

discussing something like this just lends it credence. I will not do that.If his parents are indeed nazis come here to escape prosecution they should be sent back. End of discussion.

 

This is a good example that as scholars continue to study and analyse the events, the narrative evolves. There has never been a definitive method of determing the exact numbers of dead for WW2. Estimating the number killed was actually only 4 million instead of three million is one scholars researched opinion vs another.
Now if you believe that a reduction in the number somehow minimizes one of most heinous crimes against humanity in history; that it some how makes the notion of industrialized murder a little more palatable, or relieves some measure of blame for the scumbag nazis, then I suggest you are overdue for your morality check up.

 

So you agree that there is a whole lot of BS stories with regard to the Holocaust (TM).....and that the numbers are "in dispute"......be careful.....you could go to jail in Europe for saying that....just sayin'