If God exists, he's a really nice guy

Your statement located here http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...sts-hes-really-nice-guy-4.html#post1061758941 says nothing about "for the sake of argument". You are making a misrepresentation of the things that I have addressed.

I disagree with you because you have no proof to substantiate your claim. If you do, then please do present that proof.

 

So you disagree that God exists? Oh ok, well then I guess its moot point.

 

On the contrary. I simply disagree with your description. Now being that you are the one who has provided such a positive assertion toward the description of God and stating that your comments are 'absolutely' accurate, then it is up to you to prove the absolute accurateness of those claims.

 

This is why real debates have moderators and set rules..

 

That is why this forum has moderators and set rules.

 

On what basis? Do you deny God created the world, including its tendency for natural disasters, alongside the placement of humans within such conditions such that million upon millions would die. Do you also deny that despite having the power to correct all famine, war, poverty, disease which kills just as many, he does nothing? If you deny it, then you are saying God does not have the power of a God and thus doesnt exist OR if you do not deny these facts you are agreeing that God is, well a freak, or at the very least, a deranged creature.

See above. God being alive, and having the power over all things does not step in to fix his mistakes is consequently the most evil force in existence.

 

Christian mythology says that we deserve all the ills that we get simply because an imaginary pair of ancestors were tricked by a talking serpent into disobeying God.

... Doesn't really make the whole thing sound any more sane or sensible, does it?

Oh, but the stars explain it. Just see my sig...

 

But we know for a fact that story is false. So to save face a Christian can only say 'its a parable about how people bring about their own demise', which is all well and good, but doesnt explain the presence of disease, natural disasters, etc etc which are all OUTSIDE of man's ability to control or act upon. These forces are all the responsibility and result of God.

It does to a certain degree - but certainly not enough.

Indeed, I agree. Its baffling that people still think adam and eve were actually real people!

 

Hmm.. Well, it's understandable when dope musicians without knowledge writing their (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up (*)(*)(*)(*); they prefer to abolish the God because they scare of the truth, and it can been seen by their songs and the genre of the band. Their appearance is like a stupid gothic people, whom prefer to be commercialized. Actually, I prefer to learn from smart people with a lot of experience in life. I don't want to learn from musicians whom don't know math, don't ever heard about philosophy and just acting like a stupid teenage girls, and wearing black dresses. If your choise is to learn from these people, good luck man. I don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about those thoughts of stupidity by silly people.

 

Actually KMFDM makes some fairly killer industrial sounds. Stray Bullet's a good song

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If god exists even Hitler doesn't deserve to go to hell.

 

If he did, the first person he'd meet would be Yahweh.

 

Interestingly enough, the mistake people make is in personifying God. God is not human, therefore he doesn't have chemically stimulated processes in the brain that he also doesn't have, nor does he have human motives from survival and reproduction.

Therefore, if God is really God, the all knowing and all powerful, then he is also purely logical. Purely logical would mean that he is devoid of emotion. This would include kindness, love, hate, rage, passion, anything you can think of that has something to do with human-related mental stimulation that defies unadulterated reasoning.

So, really, the logical way to state the title of this thread would be:

If God exists, he's a really indifferent God.

This is so, simply because positive or negative responses are to problems or issues of some kind, and an omniscient/omnipotent being wouldn't have problems or issues of any kind. God is not capable of creating a problem that he cannot solve, or wouldn't know how to solve.

Which really means that God doesn't care about anything, since he's ultimately not human. Though, if God doesn't care about anything, why are we here?

Or better yet, why would an indifferent God, with no purpose of his own, without reason or motive, allow himself to exist? Where does God derive his own purpose? Where does God derive his own plans? If God always existed, in the infinite past, what made him suddenly, after an infinitely long wait (what?), decide to create the universe? And what would possess this perfect, timeless, magnificent being, to give a rat's backside about being prayed to, worshiped, loved (what?)?

And what is love even worth to God? Why would a being with no need for love, value it so much?

But first what is love? What is love but the socially acceptable subconscious method of connecting with another person for reproductive/collective reasons?

Does God wish to reproduce with us? Ask Jesus' mother, maybe she knows, but even there, God never asked her for her permission, he just impregnated her, so love obviously is not a prerequisite for God, he has shown he needs it not. So what? Does God wish to be your best friend? What better friend to have, than a God that actually creates you in his own image. Why didn't he just make us Gods as well? With good intentions of course.

If God truly can do whatever he wants, why did he make a universe that followed rules of which God himself would have no use for, or limit by? Since when did rules even have a place in God's mind? Where did he come up with this ridiculous idea? Why not just manage the universe action for action, atom for atom, he could, couldn't he? Why make himself so obsolete? If God is so difficult to detect, what need is there for him anyway?

 

You seem to have left out of your discussion the possibility that perhaps, just maybe, God does not use the same form of Logic that you would desire Him to use. Maybe His logic would make your choice of logic appear to be the logic used by a new born kitten.... ever watch one of them in action?

 

Never made that claim, and your reply has nothing to do with what you're replying to. lol. And you continue to ignore a lot of what I say. Afraid of logic?

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...sts-hes-really-nice-guy-6.html#post1061759886

 

are you referring to the god that allegedly flooded every man, women and child on the planet except a boat load or is this another god?

" if he is omnipotent then he could simply strike all atheists dead"

but prefers to slowly fill up the bathtub and drowned em all?


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If God doesn't exist, I am off the life. For sure, this is an exciting point.

 

Oh, you mean that for God it's backwards day, or something? Where to him, evil is good, and good evil? Where 5+9=-4?

Interesting theory, but I'll trust my logic. Somehow, I think that obvious truth is obvious truth, whether or not one is God. Actually, if one is God, truth is even more obvious.

I do agree though, that if your God exists, his logic is much like that of a newborn kitten, as it would have to be, for his needs and motives to be even more primitive than my own.

Somehow, I can't see myself believing in a God that acts so much like a human...since when were humans something worth worshiping? Since when did pure omniscience/omnipotence allow room for God to act irrationally?

You simply can't justify an irrational God.

 

Sure SC, until you die, then he burns your soul for all of eternity.

Such a nice god. /sarcasm

 

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
- Epicurus [341–270 B.C.]

 

That depends on your definition of "omnipotent". As in, could God decide that "2 + 2 = 5", I don't think so. There are certain natural and metaphysical laws that God would be forced to abide by, and not covered under "omnipotence".

 

Says who?

"With God, all things are possible."

 

In making that quotation, are you affirming that there is a God and because there is a God, all things are possible?

 

It depends. Sometimes he's a complete tool who orders the deaths of millions of people for not worshiping him. I heard his son is pretty cool though. kind of a hippy.