Dearborn, Michigan Arab Festival

Correct. Everyone gets to be in their protected zone of speech without fear of violence. Your challenge is to show Christians using violence like I have shown muslims using violence. You haven't done that.

 

Then why do you keep limiting who can go there to Islamists? Arab Christians should be free to go and practice their free speech rights?

Then add to the fact that it's in public therefore anyone in public should feel free to go there and practice their free speech rights.

But you keep saying non-Muslims shouldn't have the right to insult Muslims by practicing their rights of free speech. Your talking with forked tongue.

 

I never claimed they did it, which is why I am not supporting the claim that I never made.

 

I never said any such thing. I certainly never said that folks should not be allowed to speak their mind. Never once, not a single time, did I say anyone's right to free speech should be limited.

Why do you have to insult me? I have been nothing short of respectful towards you and others in this thread, and certainly have not attacked you personally.

 

American muslims and their appeasers are going to have to grow up and play by the same rules that everyone else does. Otherwise, this isn't America.

 

Whatever. Clearly this augmenter has gone circular.

 

We are establishing the rules. No one, sect, or group is entitled to freedom from criticism in the USA. Muslims want absolutely no criticism of Islam. That's not going to happen in the USA.

 

you said what amounts to the same thing on this very page right here.

You think they should be free to have a meeting in public without being subject to other peoples rights of free speech.

 

At no point did I say that the freedom of speech of anyone should be restricted. None at all. Your post is a gross mischaracterization of my words and position.

 

Restricting speech under the label of "hate speech" or "bigotry" is exactly what the Islamist thugs desire. That goes against everything America stands for. Those who appease this behavior by thinking they are fighting "bigotry" are mistaken and naive. They are being used.

 

Your one sentence does

ie restrict the rights of free speech of others.

 

Once again, I never stated, implied, or advocated for restricting anyone's free speech. The portion of the post you are quoting you are taking completely out of context.

Allow me to reiterate, so we are both clear on this.

At no point do I advocate restricting the right of free speech of anyone.

 

I'm not lawyer , but I understand there are laws against intent to provoke violence and Conspiracy & Incitement

Read and learn :
US Criminal Law

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/US_Criminal_Law#Conspiracy_.26_Incitement

also learn about "mens rea" intent or knowledge that the conduct would result in a public disturbance, etc.

However , I understand the festival have been going peacefully for over 16 years without any counter demonstrations which was obviously intended to ruin the festival. The 2012 festival was more successful and without counter desmonstrations/

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Dearborn, MI - June 19, 2012 -- The 17th Arab International Festival attracted a large crowd June 15-17, making it a successful festival during Father's Day weekend. Families from the United States and Canada packed Warren Avenue between Schaefer Road and Wyoming Street in Dearborn to celebrate the community's Arab heritage.

"We're very happy with the success of the festival," said Festival Director Fay Beydoun.

Beydoun said we are grateful for the support of our sponsors, especially Ford Motor Company, the contribution of the Wayne County Sheriff's Department and Sheriff Benny Napoleon, the help of volunteers from Impact International and the support of the business community along Warren Avenue and the community at large.

The three-day festival is a culture celebration that included delicious Middle Eastern food and flavors. Starting around 11 a.m., the smell of spicy falafel, sauteed onions and beef and chicken Shawarma wafted in the air along Warren Avenue in Dearborn.

Local and international artists sang Arabic and English songs, sending sweet melodies for several blocks and transforming the festival into a large party, where visitors, young and old, broke into traditional Arabic dance in circles. Local youth participated in the 2012 Arab Idol and food-eating contests on main stage, adding to the unique activities the festival brings every year, and the Children Tent included arts and crafts for children of all ages.

At the artisan tent, vendors offered unique arts and crafts from around the world while sponsors and supporters of the festival provided enticing presentations on their products and services.

To the east, carnival rides spun happy children in circles; Ferris Wheel rolled in the air, and various rides and games entertained guests of all ages.

We extend our gratitude to all of our sponsors and supporters, media, the community and everyone who helped make the largest Arab-American street festival successful.

We look forward to seeing you next year.

Festival General Information

For 17 years, the Arab International Festival has celebrated the diversity of our community, highlighting its Middle Eastern heritage.

The Festival is a family event, and it attracts more than 300,000 visitors from the United States and Canada. It has also been a source of pride to our community and a source of family joy to our citizens and corporations.


For three days, the festival converts 17 blocks of Warren Avenue between Schaefer Road and Wyoming Street into a cultural celebration. The primary purpose of the Festival is to promote cultural diversity and economic development to the Warren Avenue Business District and the area.

While the festival features culture, food and entertainment from 22 Arabic countries, it attracts a host of other nationalities as well to sample flavors of different cultures and countries.
In addition to the families who come to enjoy the Festival, the opening ceremony brings dignitaries, state and national elected officials and business leaders to the heart of our community, making it the highest profile event a celebration of our rich cultural diversity in the area.

Every year, the children tent features games and entertainment for kids of all ages, including dance, crafts and other activities.

Main-stage entertainment offers an exciting line up of local and international artists, various activities, including Arab-idol and food contests.

The Warren Avenue business district has enjoyed ample success over the years, and merchants say they look forward every year for the three-day festival to enjoy the great exposure for their businesses and sell their products, and we are happy to work with them.
The festival could not be done without the support of our partners and sponsors, specifically Ford Motor Company.

A special thanks to Impact International for bringing more than 200 volunteers every year to help with the festival and highlight the spirit of diversity. We extend our gratitude to all of our partners, sponsors, volunteers, media and supporters who help make the largest Arab-American street festival successful.

Economic Impact of the Festival on Southeast Michigan

In 2011, the Chamer asked an MSU professor to evaluate the economic impact of the festival on the area, and he conluded the follwoing:

 About $7 million of economic impact

 Support more than 45 jobs

 Substantial impacts from spending by sponsors, entertainers, etc. that are not captured in

visitor spending and was not included in the overall number

 Impact reaches various sections of the economy include hotels, restaurants, shopping and services.


Read more about Chamber by www.americanarab.com

 

With "free speech" comes responsibility and acceptance of consequences

Would you enter a bar frequented by say , Irish/ Hispanics or Blacks and shout something knowingly offensive ? Hmmmm .


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I am reminded of the Westboro Church- another Christian group intruding into a situation where they are not invited to use their right of free speech to try to incite violence- in order to gain attention to their group.

Did the Christians have the right to be there? Yes. Was it suprising that people at the festival got upset? No. Just like with the Westboro Church- tempers flared. I have seen posters here actively encouraging violence against Westboro church members who protest at funerals of soldiers.

That the OP blames the violence on all Muslims is like blaming all veterans for suggesting violence against Westboro Church protesters.
No there shouldn't be any violence.

Reading up on the Dearborn Arab Festival- it sounds like a very enjoyable, peaceful situation with this isolated incident which is no different than if racists showed up at a Jewish Festival and started accusing Jews of being baby killers or the Westboro Church idiots telling the families of dead soldiers that they are going to hell.

 

That propaganda about "incitement" isn't going to work. The American people aren't that stupid.

 

Dearborn, Michigan is becoming a closed muslim society. This is supposed to be America where everyone is treated the same, yet muslims are allowed their bigotry and hate to flourish and any criticism of that hatred and bigotry is condemned. This is pretty sick stuff going on here.

 

Yes, from all other reports it is : Here's some photos of families enjoying themselves , inspite of the bunch of $hitheads deliberately trying to spoil their festivities. HERE are more facts :

"Tensions flared Friday evening at the annual Arab International Festival in Dearborn as members of some Christian missionary groups — including one called the Bible Believers — taunted Arab Americans with a pig’s head and signs that promoted hatred of Islam.

“You’re gonna burn in hell,” one missionary shouted at a group of young Arab-American boys listening to him speak on Warren Avenue, where the festival takes place.

The festival continues today in Dearborn, but the members of the Bible Believers won’t be there because they’ll be protesting a gay festival in Ohio, said Arab Festival organizers.


The three-day festival is the largest public gathering of Arab-Americans in the U.S.; it has drawn Christian missionaries for years, but in 2009, some become more aggressive, leading to arrests and legal feuds. Dearborn has the highest concentration of Arab-Americans in the U.S., many of them Muslim, making it a magnet for some Christian missionaries.

The Bible Believers also protested at last year's Arab Festival, holding up both anti-Muslim and anti-Catholic

About a dozen with the group stood facing the festival on Friday with signs that made bigoted remarks about Islam and its prophet, Mohammed. One of the missionaries had a pig’s head mounted on a pole that he displayed in front of his group.


Photos here :
http://www.freep.com/article/201206...ead-taunt-Arab-Americans-at-Dearborn-festival



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Propaganda. We all remember when muslims faked pictures of muslims in pig masks. Playing the victim is part of the scene. It's all a propaganda movie for Islamist gangsters.

That picture is photoshopped. If you don't know that, then you do now. If you did know that, then you're nothing but a propaganda tool.

 

B S - Americans - in general - are amongst the world's most closed minded - bigots -, lunatic, , psychopath, schizoid, screwballs . Everyon is not treated the same along america's bible belt. Ask the Jews , hell there are many small towns where even Catholics are discriminated against and wouldnt dare starting any sort of commercial undertaking .



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And you base this on a small group of people responding to a small group of Christians who went there deliberately to tell Muslims that they are going to hell?

I think the violence was wrong. But the Christians who went there are no different than the Westboro Church members- they went there to provoke a reaction and they went there to get in the papers.

 

Thanks , for proving that nothing is more secure as a closed mind.




There's a cold can of lager waiting for me in the fridge.


tata ...

 

Oh my God. Time to get back on the topic.

 

Propaganda? Ruben the preacher has even talked about bringing the pigs head there in interviews. He said it was like garlic to vampires.

Here is the quote:
RI: Yes, that was last year and that is why this year I went there with a pig head. To the Muslims a pig or the blood from a pig is like a crucifix to a vampire. I knew the sheriff was not going to assist us because they had not responded to our letters from our attorneys, so I figured we would be on our own, and since the sheriffs weren’t going to be around us, I brought the next best thing and that’s a pig head on a stick.

In the video you can see that around the pig head we didn’t get pelted as much as where there was no pig head. I got a lot of heat for taking one pig head; I think in reality we should have brought 15 pig heads, that would have maybe soothed them a little bit more from throwing debris at us.

 

Starting drinking a little early? That might explain a lot.