Final Argument. Reasons To Vote Democrat Tuesday. Lots To Read.

If you actually want a better America then you will take time to read this post. Sadly, lots of people tied to a party won't take time to inform theirself on a different Perspective. Entire political perspectives aren't a fast read and the convinced voter probably quit reading already.

Economy. First I would like to address the, "Government doesn't create jobs" statement. That is correct to an extent. More accurate terminology would say, "Government can change conditions that promote corporations to create more jobs" The facts are, you can't trust a candidate. You can only trust the last 100 years of statistics from an ever-evolving party and their campaign contributors. Democrats win on numbers through these factual statistics;

Obama's Jobs Plan- The Anti-Outsourcing Bill. This bill was already voted down once, like everything else Obama tried to do. This bill will end the ability to get a tax deduction for moving your business overseas where the workers don't pay American income taxes. In fact, the money made in that business is only American taxed on what money comes back into the US. Imagine if someone stored it in the Cayman Islands to prevent American taxation until a period where taxes were lower so you could make more profit. Perfectly legal now. This bill would also give tax breaks to companies that hire American workers. The irony here is that most jobs outsourced are low-skill jobs and most people on welfare are low skill workers. America became a great nation by becoming an Industrial Nation. The jobs are gone because other countries around the world aren't as successful as we are and pay their workers next to nothing compared to the American dollar. Will Obama's bill stop outsourcing, no. Is it a step in the right direction, defidently.

Romney's Jobs Plan- Cutting Taxes and Regulations. Regulations may be a good thing to cut, but it depends on what they are. We certainly don't want our children to eat lead paint or our nation to be flooded with toxic chemicals(toxic chemical waste is one of Romney's biggest campaign contributors). We want to think he is talking about unnecessary red tape on things such as drilling in conservation land. Sadly the details aren't out on all regulations he wants to cut. Cutting taxes is a horrible idea. Our national debt is high because Republicans have been cutting taxes and spending nearly the same for decades. Cutting taxes is only a way to buy votes, it's that simple(and it works). He is making the case that corporations can't afford to hire anyone because they need more money. Then why are corporations making record profits and wages are at a record low? This is 100% proof that tax cuts aren't working (we have been in tax cuts since 2001 and it's cost us http://costoftaxcuts.com/ with no job growth due to them) Tax cuts is an indirect way of buying votes, it's that simple. Bush bought votes with tax cuts then started 2 wars, 9/11, no child left behind, BUSH PHONES (not ObamaPhones), Patriot Act, the border fence, Katrina and others. Selling the promise to operate as a nation without money catches up with us. Only responsible adults know when it happens.

Spending Growth. Obama's had the smallest since the 50's. Second smallest was Clintion.

National Debt. Every deficit turned into a surplus was done by a Democrat. Every surplus turned into a deficit was done by a Republican. (since 1945)

Gay Marriage. Who cares? We believe gays shouldn't be married because we are Christians. But the bible says don't force Christianity but to lead by example. Churches don't have to marry gays if they don't want to. As long as they aren't touching dongs in my front yard, I really just don't care. I'm suprised by people who make it an effort to care. The bible says, "Do not judge or be judged" The law was made against gays. There is no law coming out that excuses gay marriage. Government should publically say, "We do not condone this as Christians" not make laws that prevent you from sin.

Abortion. Democrats will never win this debate. Abortion is very wrong. The answer is to ensure people get the things they need to prevent pregnancy when not wanted. Which ironically the Republicans are opposed to.

Stock Markets. Stock markets are thriving and they weren't 4 years ago. This is ironically after I heard Fox News Radio Channel tell listeners to pull their money out of banks and the stocks because Obama is going to ruin this country. (Pulling money out of banks and stocks ruin a country)

Foreign Policy. Less unnecessary war that is very costly to lives http://icasualties.org/OEF/Fatalities.aspx http://icasualties.org/Iraq/Fatalities.aspx but also costly with money http://costofwar.com/. I was taught as a child, "People who can't think......fight" It's why 7 of the last 8 costly wars were started by Republicans. Every president is faced with evil. The difference is diplomacy and brains or war. (The number is debateable on what level is war considered. My statistic is from wiki history of American wars.)

Voter ID. Democrats will never win this debate. Quit trying, it only makes you look bad.

Illegal Immigration. Both parties take measures to stop it at the border, Republicans seem to have a better answer with a fence over Obama's more police. The fact is nothing will change anytime soon unless we do something about the illegals living in America NOW. Bush owned congress for 5 years and did nothing. The fact is Republicans want them for the cheap labor and the votes from their employers and Democrats want them for votes. The Dream Act, produced by Obama and voted down by Republicans, would have ensured the children of these already here illegals to have the ability to be a contributing citizen of America by going to the Armed Forces or college and becoming a TAX PAYER. (more people paying taxes means less taxes in all......Romney!.............I'm sure knows this is what I was getting at)

Infrastructure. This should be a given. Republicans devoted an entire campaign against Obama when he told businesses they didn't build infrastructure, everyone did. Ironically it's the same thing that makes these businesses thrive and not ship their goods by river..

Education. Deep topic. Private education would mean poor families wouldn't get educated and is an idiotic concept. Private education is still an option today..I think states should create their own concepts for a bit then let the federal step in to ensure the slower educated states used what the top states used.

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GOVERNMENT FRAUD. This is the most important topic on here. There are TONS of people today committing government fraud. Romney recognized this but targetted every government program as a whole, not the fraud itself. Romney never mentioned where he would attack government fraud. Obama did say he attacked it and is raising the attacks on it. I simplify government fraud by calling it, "The Vending Machine Policy". We had a vending machine at work with meals and a co-worker found a way to rob it. Instead of figuring out the problem with that machine or even asking if anyone saw who robbed it (everyone did), they removed the machine. THIS is a split in the national vote. Do we spend some time to figure out what is wrong with the machine? Or do we remove the machine which effects everyone who uses it. I believe in using government aid to help the real disabled (commonly mis-diagnosed by the 1%er doctors, boy did that come back to bite them).

Guns. The 2nd amendment took place in 1791 (i think). No one is trying to take all of our guns as the Right wing tries to sell. But there has to be a line at some point. If we have lazer guns in the future that can cut down an entire building in one shot should your crazy neighbor be allowed to own one of those? Eventually there has to be a line drawn where the mass damage is just too high for someone to own one. It's exactly what is going on now, Assault Rifles. the 2nd amendment said, "with a well regulated militia". After the Colorado shooting opinions came out about psych screening of people before they owned a weapon originally produced for war but modified for civilians. Most screamed, "You can't! Look at the 2nd amendment!" They have forgot, "Well Regulated Militia"

God. The Constitution says, "Freedom of Religion". This does not mean freedom to force your religion onto others. It means you are free to worship your god in America because not every god is everyones god. Christianity should be in political platforms, not in laws. People that believe in "less government" should agree that some things should be handled by a public voice of opinion and leader by example. Not laws. Such as, "Businesses in New York please hear me and make your soda size smaller. It would be of national interest." Instead of a law that enforces it.

Global Warming. World climate always goes back and forth and sometimes kills nearly everything, history shows that. Are we making it happen, I don't know, no one actually does. I don't rely on myths, which is why I never RELY on Fox News even though it's my #1 news source (because it's entertainingly idiotic). They are full of crap most of the time. Yet America has HAARP. I am much more worried about HAARP than global warming. Maybe I'm a nail biter. Could HAARP prevent bad weather and/or could it be the source for bad weather?

Last is Libertarians. Libertarians have no concept of what government has done for them. They are the bored hating the system that made them successful and bored.

Look at this economy now! The very people saying it's a bad economy are buying starbucks coffee, shopping in clothing stores with a 3 story ceiling, paying $100 a month on a cell phone, banks are lined with marble, have tv's in their car for the kids to watch, cars parallel park themself by computer, pay upwards of $1.00 a bottle for the most abundant resource in the world water, have Culligan deliver water to their home in a jug because the tap doesn't taste good enough, 30-50 inch tv's that are flat and some are even 3-D, gyms that let you run on a belt in front of a tv for $60 a month because running outside for free sucks, (etc. the list goes on and on)

Believe it or not. This is an informed Independents perspective.

 

If someone put a gun to my head and made me choose one or the other, I'd vote Obama, hands down. This is a short term solution to a long term problem though.

 

anyone american who doesnt vote obama is an idiot imo

 

The pubs will have a chance to make a better case in four heads. They have no plan this year. They just promise they have a plan. This has been one long job interview. Why would we hire someone that cant explain why they are qualified for the job.

 

I agree, but I think that both parties have gotten out of control and the introduction of more parties that have a chance of winning will keep them more honest and also force them to compromise, which is something they both desperately need to learn how to do.

 

^^^Amen

 

Neither are good for this country. And certainly not a Democrat.

 

I respect Libertarians idea's. I dislike that they see no middle at all. I love that they are shining light on taxation and creating a ceiling. I dislike how they have corrupted Republicans through Grover Norquist.

Republicans need to dump their military weapon contractor donors and dump the pledge and become the party they once were. Respectful to government, but cutting the fat. Libertarians are NOT respectful to government.

 

As a counterpoint to this .. what should I call it... drivel?.. I offer an endorsement by Forbes columnist Richard Salsman:
The 47% Should Especially Favor Romney/Ryan On Election Day

The last paragraph:

Read the whole thing!

 

I will be crawling through glass and beating my way through black panthers w/billy clubs to vote for Romney........

.......the sooner The Pile of Kenyan Excrement is removed from the Whitehouse the better.
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I'm voting Gary Johnson while wearing my (*)(*)(*)(*) the TSA tshirt, ya know, so that people know why there isn't a chance in hell I'd be voting for Obummer or Flipper.

 

I'm glad you decided to vote. The more awareness is raised of a Libertarian party the more it takes away from the 2 party team. Libertarians may never win, but they are already the cause for the taxation ceiling we are seeing. As much as I disrespect that they have tainted the Republicans I respect the movement. Republicans were already tainted anyway with military weapon contractors.

 

I'm glad you decided to vote. The more awareness is raised of a Libertarian party the more it takes away from the 2 party team. Libertarians may never win, but they are already the cause for the taxation ceiling we are seeing. As much as I disrespect that they have tainted the Republicans I respect the movement. Republicans were already tainted anyway with military weapon contractors.

 

Oh, a hyper-partisan? You know I was just saying to myself the other day, "im undecided. What I really need to help me decide is a hyper-partisan opinion from a person unwilling to listen to both sides." So glad I found it!

 

Before I read anything about democrats longer than a sentence, it will start with a very clear explanation or an acknowledgement of guilt with regards to voting for Iraq war they later campaigned against, Obamas breaking promises about dialog with Iran and Syria and so on. it is absolutely not worth wasting any time for me reading anything other in their defence.

 

Seems like a painful waste of time, just to vote for a guy with the same ideology.

 

Well that's just too bad. Frankly I liked trading your freedom to fly free of a searches for my perceived security and apparently most Americans agree. If you're main issue is TSA, etc.. then you are too wrapped in a false idea of freedom. There are times when trading someone else freedom for others security is a moral and correct thing to do.

 

Everyone in America should be hyper-partisan on their vote tuesday. Otherwise you should tell me, why should we vote Romney?

His campaign contributors are in short; Big oil, toxic waste dumping, sin city,

 

Don't cry too hard if Obama wins, he represents your values well.

 

I have a question. Does congress recieve the exact intelligence the president gets before going to war? Or does the President just tell congress what he knows?

 

Libertarians fight for freedom expects every American to be perfect individuals. Heaven forbid someone is greedy, crazy or hungry.

 

Let me see if I can give you ten more reasons to vote Democrat:

10. The hole the domocrats have spent 70 of the alst 80 years diggins still isn't deep enough.

9. Your head is so far up Paul Krugman's back side you wouldn't recognize a good economic argument if you heard it.

8. You flunked basic math.

7. The idea that someone somwhere may actually have more of something than you do just really pisses your ignorant ass off.

6. You think there are at least 2 k's in economics.

5. You think lowering the top tax rate that no one pays now from 35% to 20% will cost the government money.

4. Your family has always voted for the party of the jackass and you wish to continue the family tradition of jackassery.

3. You think money grows on someone else's trees.

2. If the government gave you a million dollars tomorrow you'd (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) that it wasn't two million.

1. They raised minimum wage 8 years ago and you've been out of work ever since.

 

Brainy. First of all I would like to point out there is no way you read the thread, it's obvious. Secondly, when you do.......do the research for yourself. Third, I was raised by Republicans who tell me to hate gays and blacks, but for some reason church got to me and I didn't.

But feel free to use facts to show any of my statistics are wrong. Surely this lazy person didn't do his homework and you the hard worker did yours ......................that's right.

 

I am not going to vote. No point. I'd write in Ron Paul if I went.