50 Major Similarities Between Obama and Romney

This thread is hilarious, I finally realize why the current state of U.S. politics is such (*)(*)(*)(*). People believe words instead of actions and don't actually do any research on basic economics or foreign policy. This Iriemon person seems to believe that Obama and Romney believe in "Free Markets". I nearly shot the milk I was drinking out of my nose when I read this horrendously absurd statement. If there were a true free market, BP never would have been assisted by the U.S. government and they would have gone nearly bankrupt from the amount of cleanup damages their stockholders would have to give up. Remember, it is Government who makes corporations people and creates this liability bubble where no one is personally accountable.

Someone else earlier was talking about how people are "Insane" if they want to abolish the income tax. How is abolishing the most repressive type of tax towards the poor and people in general "Insane", this type of thinking (Or not thinking rather) is why we continue down the same Corporatism path. If you read the tax section of an economics book, I would guarantee there is more than one type of tax, we could easily reform our tax system into one that is less oppressive than it is, and also create and easier framework for people to live within. Think about how many things are double and triple taxed by the government, and tell me how that is not insanity as well.

25. Neither has indicated any intent to repeal the current unconstitutional federal legal tender laws to legalize private currencies that would compete with the fiat Federal Reserve Note through a free banking system. Right now, any American who exercises his freedom to choose by creating a competing currency will go to jail [108].

I would have no problem with this, if anything the Federal government needs a kick in the ass to finally stop devaluing our dollar. If you look at average family net worth, it is now at the exact same level as in 1990, which means our economy has jumped back two decades. I am just glad I invested in a large amount of gold and silver in 2006.

 

Sure I have. It's a valid major similarity between the two.

So you're suggesting that Obama extended the Bush tax cuts because he thought it would help the economy?

Sure I have. It's a valid major similarity between the two.

Their past makes for a great indicator of how they will behave in the future.

Not seeing it. Can you please be more specific?

Except that Romney in actuality wants to increase spending and government programs, but he wants to replace Dodd-Frank with a different regulation. Not a major difference at all.

False. You said that Romney supports lesser regulation:

There is no proof that Romney supports "lesser" regulation. His plan claims to want to impose different regulations.

Why would I do that? I never claimed Romney's regulations would be the same as Obama's. I merely pointed out that your claim that Romney supports lesser regulation than Obama is nothing more than your baseless opinion.

Why would I do that? I never claimed that Obama will do the same things as Romney as president over the next four years.

That does not prove my statements wrong.

 

Just reminds me of the old saying..."Take a good long look in the mirror..."

 

Sorry, I was using the lingo of normal folks, not the alternative meanings of the Austrian world.

What's your proposal?

I know. We made a major wrong turn in 2001.

 

You have the wrong guy looking into the mirror. It should be Bush.

There are lots of significant differences between Obama and Romney. I've listed several of them in this thread.

No one has been able to identify for me any significant economic and budget policies differences between Romney and Bush.

 

It does not rebut my showing of the major difference.

You'd have to ask Obama. But based on his statements, that may be partly true. The other was that he did it as a quid pro quo to get benefits extended for people who were hurting.

You haven't rebutted my showing the major difference.

Prove it.

But you cannot deny that that is their policy now.

Where does Romney say that?

The sources I provided say otherwise.

And I cited sources proving you are wrong.

Good for you. And I never claimed that they would do everything different. So why are you demanding I prove they would?

That does not prove my statements wrong.

 

The point he is trying to make is that it's Rhetoric vs. Action.

So far Obama has supplied plenty of Rhetoric similar to Romney in opposing views between themselves and the other party but, their actions say otherwise to what they've said.

 

If that's an example of "them both being the same" - because neither one sees it as a big priority to legalize alternative currencies/banking, then that's why this thread is irrelevent - that's a ridiculously niche issue that probably no elected official (other than Ron Paul or libertarians) actually care about - so once again this thread is just whining that libertarians aren't in office - it doesn't say anything relevent about Barack or Obama.

 

The "major" difference you listed was that they have minor rhetorical squabbles over how the income tax should be implemented, and even that is nothing more than empty campaign rhetoric. Both agree that the wealthiest should not have their taxes raised - proven by the fact that Obama has already extended the Bush Tax Cuts for the wealthiest once before.

Obama believes that cutting taxes for the wealthiest helps the economy? Or maybe it's just a convienient excuse to wash the hands of the billionaires that helped to put him in power.

Either way, it sounds like he is a conservative to me.

Sure it was. I'm sure he will conveniently come up with another "quid pro quo" to extend the cuts again for the billionaires who helped put him in power the 2nd time.

Yes I have. Your claim, which is based on nothing more on Romney campaign propaganda used to appeal to pro-life conservatives, is that Romney wants to overturn pro-choice laws. His past actions have proven otherwise. There is no major difference than he and Obama on abortion, because both are pro-choice by their past voting records.

Prove that actions speak louder than words? That's just common sense. Pass.

I cannot deny that their campaign propaganda claims that it is what their policy will be as President. However, Romney's blatant dishonesty on his abortion stance speaks for itself.

Romney says he wants to repeal and replace Dodd-Frank on his campaign website.
There are plenty of examples provided in the OP that prove Romney wants to increase spending and government programs.

None of your sources prove that Romney supports lesser regulation.

Feel free to provide the quote of mine that leads you to believe that I demanded that you prove they would.

Yes it does. You denied that Romney supports Cap and Trade and the EPA, yet you have provided absolutely no proof to back up your claim.

 

Those "significant differences" are in dispute.

 

Nowhere in this thread did I say they are the same. You just made that up.

I fail to see how the popularity of a particular issue is relevant in any way.

Another fabrication. Your typical M.O.

Do you even proofread your gibberish before you post it?

You still haven't disproven anything in the OP.
You still haven't told me who my "guy" is.
My guess is that you're just incapable of defending your own baseless nonsense.

 

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i will have to read your whole post later

but there are many differences between the 2

one is that R is NOT in favor of murder

one would murder children who survive the unprotected womb (which is no longer an abortion so not covered under Roe v Wade)

if u want to justify voting for a communist baby killer

have at it

the Original Church established by Christ

is against both communism and baby killing

and Jesus said that FEW make it into Heaven

so uh.. u might want to stop and think about your vote

it is NOT easy getting into Heaven. God is disgusted w/ the sins of people who do not repent and seek his will. somewhere in the Bible it says that those who do not do his will dont make it. Of course we all miss the boat but some (those who vote for baby killers) do not seem to even be trying

 

Depends. Some people believe that abortion is murder, and Romney has proven himself to be more pro-choice than Obama.

Are you suggesting that Obama supports infanticide? Prove it.

Good for them.

Thanks for spiritually enlightening all of us by expressing your religious opinions, but it's completely irrelevant to the topic.

 

Riddle me this though, who says war against a region, to protect U.S. corporate interests is good? It's as good as Governmental financial backing right? Seeing as we have a military monopoly on oil and we control the petro dollar. There isn't a difference in foreign policy between them, other than Iran, which we still have crippling sanction against.

Well, it would be difficult to get out of our current scenario. But I think the last thing we would want to do is cut medicare and healthcare benefits. There are a few approaches though, if you follow Gary Johnson he suggests a Fair Tax of 23% on all retail goods, granted that still takes large cuts in the budgets. If I were to do it however my own way. I would probably have a non-deductible smaller flat tax in the beginning, I would also probably mix another form of product tax like a national sales tax on products of a smaller percentage or something, I am no tax master. I would suggest however we cut spending on Wars overseas, I would say we should sell a lot of our assets overseas.


I know. We made a major wrong turn in 2001.[/QUOTE]

Completely agree, War only ever profits the rich economically, but Obama hasn't done much to turn that around. More U.S. military casualties in Afghanistan than George Bush had, by like 700-800 deaths. Drone warfare over Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Northern Pakistan, Afghanistan.

 

I need to bump this thread in light of the fact that Election Day is on Tuesday, mostly so that folks who can't decide if they should pick Collectivist #1 or Collectivist #2 may be persuaded to vote for one of the other candidates on the ballot.

 

Great proposal, if you goal is to make the rich richer and poor poorer, which in my experiences seem to be the underlying goal of the vast majority of austrian devotees.

 

"In your experience" is nothing more than your subjective, emotionally-based opinion that has no factual basis whatsoever.

 

No, it is based on facts, from reading lots of posts by austrians and their proposals.

 

What Austrian has lead you to believe that their goal is to make the rich richer and the poor poorer?

 

Superman55 the latest.

 

Where did Superman55 say he was an Austrian?

 

Read through our exchange.

 

The goal isn't to mess with incomes distribution at all, that is none of the governments business. The goal is to allow economic freedom, the engine that drives strong economies. Using the government against some citizens for the benefit of others is nothing more then violence and theft. Many thieves do rationalize their taking of things from others by looking at how little they have compared to their victims. It doesn't feel wrong when the body that makes the laws does it to some, but to those with principles it isn't any more right whether its a shoplifter or Uncle Sam.

Also the opinion you discussed above you attribute to what you think Romney will do, and that's why you obviously support Obama over him. But Obama has been president for four years and during that time the poor have gotten poorer and the rich richer. So how can you support him as well? Once again I don't understand why some people believe words over actions so much. Hey Iriemon I'm going to send you a $1000, so wait by the mailbox!

 

Unlike conservatives, I don't blame Obama for the Great Recession.

 

No, it's not. Both candidates breathe oxygen; that's not a major similarity, is it? Both candidates are Homo Sapiens Sapiens; that's quite the big similarity!

You know what most people call candidates who want to do away with the income tax? Crazy.