SHOCKINGLY AWFUL: US school districts begin RFID tagging of students for surveillance

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  1. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    I would be curious to know what the political/ideological affiliations are of those running this school.
     
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    It isn't as simple as you make out. RFID (especially as referenced by the media) covers a wide range of things, which does run from swipe cards though to relatively long range tracking. It is notable that this article (and others about the same case) say absolutely nothing about the exact form of RFID technology being used or how it is being used. I suspect more facts would soften the panic and weaken the story. I certainly think that if the school had passive detectors installed, the objectors would have mentioned them.

    You don't need to use such large fonts and I suspect it only reduces the number of people willing to reply and isn't going to favour their opinion of you. I suggest you'd be better off stopping do it.
     
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    Oh calm down and take a breath, no freedom is being lost here, you are making a mountain over a mole hill based on irrational fear.
     
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    I tend to agree.
    If a student isn't in class, he's obviously in the wrong place so steps can be taken anyway.
    A simple head count at the start of a lesson looks after that one.

    Whilst I may think the tags are a bit daft and not much real use, I don't believe they'll allow the devil to enter the student as the objector seems to feel.
     
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    So what? Since when was anonymity a human right? Privacy and anonymity are not the same things.
     
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    Lol ! Vladimir's back to help us poor and helpless American's again !
     
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    when in public, the public see's you, your not private - I have no problem going to walmart, even though I know there is camera's everywhere, look on their rooftop sometime

    a robber is gonna pick a more anonymous spot to attack you then in a walmart parking lot

    a child abductor is more likely to pick a school where a child will not be missed as quickly if they disappear


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  8. DDave

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    Here at home?? You mean Russia . . . your home??

    Well, one purpose of tracking students at school would be safety. Schools are responsible for the welfare of the students while they are at school. In the case of an intruder alert it would be most helpful to know where everyone is. A "simple head count" as a previous poster mentioned does not do that. It will tell you if students are missing. It does not tell you where they are or if they are safe.

    And it's a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing badge for Christ's sake. It's not like it's an embedded microchip.

    You need major revolution if school districts want to track students while they are at school?
     
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    good example, I agree
     
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    The RWN's are looking for an excuse for revolution, ANY excuse. Thing is they may be delusional but most of them know that the Vast Majority of Americans would not stand for it and put an end to their power grab within days and in a very final once and for all way.
     
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    In public? Yes.

    When you take responsibility for the well-being of my child, I expect you to be an authority to that child, and do everything in your power to keep track of them. I expect you to have cameras, to help resolve disputes, and catch anyone leaving campus with my child. An RFID will give you a time frame and location to begin looking.

    Why on EARTH would this bother me?
     
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    Even a completely passive surveillence in schools (such as CCTV cameras with recorders) is not excessive.
    This is not a privacy issue. About the only place you should expect to have privacy is in a locker room where you change clothes, or the bathroom stall. Other than that you are in PUBLIC.

    Somebody mentioned being in front of the cameras in WalMart. Exactly right. In Walmart, the cameras are used to stop shoplifters. In schools, they can prevent and catch any one of a variety of kid criminals doing their nasty activities that some kids are prone to do. I see this as not only a good thing, but a necessary thing as well.

    Schools need more surveillence of kids, not less. When I was a kid in school, the lack of supervision (and the resulting criminal activity of kids) was outrageous. Same goes for when my kids were in school, and now my grandkids report the same thing. Bullying is rampant, muggings occur, fights go on undetected, and kids are intimidated by stronger kids (code of silence) from reporting abuse.

    Let's not forget that when it comes to street crime, kids have it worse than we adults do. In adult society, the worst baddies are all locked up in prisons (or been executed). But in the child society (schools), the same worst of the worst haven't yet been weeded out to the prisons yet. They are right there in the school mixed in with our kids, and their evil starts at an early age. Think about it.

    Card readers, cameras, armed security guards....bring them on. One of the better ways of spending public money.
     
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    If you don't want a tracking chip and they make you take one then, yes, the freedom of personal choice is gone. Why is this so hard to understand?
     
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    You cannot choose to make it harder for a child to be cared for. That is not a privacy issue. It is PUBLIC school. You cannot remove my ability to do my job, which is keep your child safe. Keeping track of your children is an EXPECTATION of the school and its administrators.

    Desiring that your kid be off the grid and un-trackable is irresponsible. It's crazy.
     
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    I wonder if this clown has ever worked for a large company?
    One where ID badges are required to be worn, where the badges have bar codes on them?
    This one, like all right wing conspiracy is much ado about nothing.
     
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    Don't they use scanners to see through peoples' clothes all the time now?
     
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    Oh puhleeease..there may be beneficial aspects to it but that's NOT the reason they're doing it, and hey, a good way to insure everybody's safety would be to have cameras in our homes and in our bathrooms in case we fall so the people can come help us if we fall but we don't do that?! (but we probably soon will with the willing sheep idiotic public).
     
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    I'm not so sure about this. People managed to raise children without the use of a tracking grid. I think we treat kids too much like prisoners, which is ultimately not beneficial to their safety. Keeping your kids safe is partly about keeping an eye on them, but by the time they're in school it's more about making them strong enough and smart enough to deal with various dangers themselves.

    Besides ... who watches the watchmen? Kids are at danger from the schools themselves, aren't they? What mechanism do we have in place to keep this tracking power from being abused by unscrupulous teachers?
     
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    You mean when there was no 'grid'??
    Thats like saying we got along fine without telephones during the civil war.
     
  20. Daybreaker

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    Well, yes. We did. And now we have people claiming that it's irresponsible not to make sure that your kids have cellphones with them at all times.
     
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    Like house pets? I hope you are being sarcastic.
     
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    I agree with you about the ID badges and all, but I don't see where this issue is somehow right or left wing. I think it's just common sense wing. Kids need to be under control of adult supervision. That includes knowing where they are and what they're doing.
     
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    Cell phones cover the falling problem.
     
  24. DDave

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    That's not why they are doing it? Then why ARE they doing it?

    It wouldn't surprise me if they were doing it because the teachers are too (*)(*)(*)(*)ing lazy to take attendance the normal way and want some "passive", ie, less work for them, way to do it.

    We're not talking about "everyone's" safety in "their homes". We're talking about student safety while they are at school.

    Don't get me wrong. I don't think it's a great idea, but not because of the "mark of the beast" bullcrap.
     
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    It appears this issue enjoys bipartisan support and condemnation at least as far as PF members are concerned. :smile:
     

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