The NRA Is Ready For The Gun Control Fight...Are You?

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    The NRA Is Ready For The Gun Control Fight...Are You?

    By Bob Cesca | HuffPost | Posted: 01/18/2013 2:44 pm
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    “This week, President Obama and Vice President Biden announced a bold series of new gun control regulations designed to restrict access to the deadliest weapons available, while also focusing on other firearm-related areas through a series of 23 executive orders, which the president immediately authorized.

    Needless to say, the roster of actions went far beyond the expectations of gun control advocates, while blunting some of the paranoid delusions of the gun lobby and the Republican Party.

    The president plans to resurrect the expired assault weapons ban and close all of the loopholes created by the NRA's puppets in 1994. There are "bullet control" proposals: no more magazines larger than 10 rounds, and no more armor-piercing bullets. Background checks will be expanded to private sales, and the gun-show loophole will be permanently closed. Additional funding has been authorized for states to report criminals to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

    The administration will request congressional appropriations for hiring more police officers, as well as more effective tracing of firearms. The president will restart CDC research into gun violence which was blocked by the NRA - ironically, the CDC's research examined the effects of violence in media which is, of course, one of the NRA's primary talking points since Sandy Hook.

    The Consumer Product Safety Commission will evaluate gun-safes and other gun-safety measures. One thousand new counselors will be added to public schools; eight thousand schools will receive anti-bullying funding; and the president will expand Medicaid to include mental health services - a long overdue measure.

    Bottom line: nobody from the administration is planning to confiscate James Yeager's death toys. But the administration does indeed plan to make it more difficult for malcontents and felons to get their hands on firearms, and who can seriously object to that? And who the hell needs a magazine containing more than 10 bullets - other than a guy who's trying to take down Godzilla or a legion of zombies perhaps

    In addition, don't be surprised if the Republicans try to strong-arm the administration on the NRA's latest gun-sales gimmick: turning public schools into a U.S./Soviet style arms races, with escalating caches of firearms entering buildings in which nothing more dangerous than spitballs and cafeteria tater-tots should be present.

    Regardless, the NRA sees the school arsenal argument as a two-pronged win for them: it distracts from real gun control laws and, if actually enacted, it would create a new market for firearms and a cash cow for the private security industry.

    The coming legislative battle will be huge, infuriating and exhausting. First, shame on the NRA for hitting the president's children and then having the audacity to accuse the president of not caring about children. I also noticed that none of Wayne LaPierre's online bios list anything about his family. The NRA seems to be keeping that information well hidden..

    Secondly, yes, the president and the First Lady send their children to a private school that features armed guards because, well, you know, national security. Should we really need to explain this? Due to the obvious fact that they're so visible and because enemies might target them as a way to undermine and incite the president, the First Daughters also receive extensive Secret Service protection. If they were ever kidnapped, there would be serious executive branch and international ramifications.

    But it goes without saying that these distinctions don't really matter to a faction that deals in misinformation, lies and propaganda.

    The NRA's influence is broad and its pockets are deep. This is precisely why gun control advocates must remain fired up and tenacious. Too often the NRA has successfully run out the clock on gun control, using money and America's short attention span to exhaust the gun control effort, or they simply pick away at new legislation until, like the assault rifle ban of 1994, it's full of loopholes and subsequently rendered conveniently less-effective. It can't be allowed to do it again.”

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    I don’t believe it will take long for President Obama to put thru all the legislation he has promised, as any legislator that argues against it will be culpable as agreeing that the massacre at Newtown was justified in any way. IOW: there is nothing that can be said that would ever justify or excuse the murders of 1st grade children and their teachers.

    It, now and forever, shall be a scathing indictment of the laxness of our laws, morality, the leadership by Congress and our President which again allowed a severely troubled person to enter an elementary school and murder 20 1st graders and 6 teachers using an assault weapon with a magazine that allowed him to kill many people in just minutes.

    Of prime importance is the removal of these assault weapons and magazines that allow such carnage on the American scene. To say that the NRA is not directly involved in this latest massacre is like saying a chicken had nothing to do with the eggs she laid.
     
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    Actually, the school the Obama's send their kids to DOES NOT have armed guards. The story is false. Yet another piece of Breitbart baloney.
     
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    From the article:

    "This week, President Obama and Vice President Biden announced a bold series of new gun control regulations designed to restrict access to the deadliest weapons available..."

    There is no such category as "the deadliest weapons". How "deadly" a weapon is is a function of the individual wielding it combined with the unique properties of the weapon itself. Timothy McVeigh was able to kill 168 people and injure over 800 with a homemade explosive device, and Seung-Hui Cho was able to kill 32 people and wound 17 others with two pistols, but I don't see Obama or Biden trying to ban those particular weapon systems. No, the real "design" behind this legislation is to facilitate the agenda of progressive control freaks who just want to expand and perpetuate the central government, just like virtually everything else Obama and company do...
     
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    Actually assault weapons are used in less than 1% of gun homicides in the US and as proven from the previous ban on these weapons, actually has little to no effect on gun violence. The fact that a guy can just as easily switch out clips while walking from one classroom to the other is a fact you guys are missing. Take away their big magazines and you think someone insane enough to do this in the first place won't find another way?

    Please tell me why Obama is trying to outlaw assault weapons instead of say the .38 smith and wesson revolver which is responsible for the most gun deaths?

    I just don't understand why you ignore the biggest culprit and go after one of the least. It makes zero sense. But this just shows how delusional the gun-grabbers are.

    Also the fact that all these weapons and magazines are going to be grandfathered in means you have millions of weapons already in circulation that are going to stay there. These new laws will not have any significant impact for decades, just like before.
     
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    Guns don't kill people... but dogs do. Ban dogs as home protection. They are not under direct human control.
     
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    Its what I use. I feel sorry for anyone that faces them rather than me and my gun. They are trained not to bark since I use them for hunting also.
     
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    Uh huh,suuuuuuure
     
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    You might want to take that up with the author. The rest of it is evidence of what the author is getting at. Exaggeration, misinformation, what I might politely call "hyperbole" and just a general over-reaction to what most moderate thinking people will see as reasonable gun control and not the fantasies that the more extreme opponents of gun control are carrying on about. You must all feel just a little bit disappointed that the proposed laws are so moderate.

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    Range. A handgun is great for close quarters, but you can't beat a long semi-auto for really taking out groups of people effortlessly.
     
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    An old colleague of mine who blundered upon a dog loose in the backyard when we were doing a drug raid would agree with you. Me and the rest of the unit on the raid would disagree with you. It was huge fun to watch him high-stepping around the back yard with a dog's jaws firmly latched onto his arse :cool:

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    A dog which barks at me, no problem; a dog which is sneaky and quiet...big problem, they're the bastards that go at your genitals without warning.
     
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    Ayuh,... Agreed,.. The Liberal Progressives are Lyin' 'bout this whole business...

    Enforcin' the current laws on the books would be a Big step forward,...
    But as said by Plugs Biden,... "We ain't got time to enforce the laws on the books, We're to busy writin' New 1s"....
     
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    Actually that charge came from Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the NRA, in which he was saying that Obama would not be in favor of armed guards in all schools in America...but has them in the private school where his daughters attend.

    The children of any president, they must have special security because of possible kidnapping, etc. that every preceding president has had for their children.
     
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    Bear in mind that ANYTHING the President gets enacted on guns will be seen as a major victory!

    This is an issue he can't lose on!!!!
     
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    Not really.

    A patchwork of state laws that are easy go get around simply by getting into one's car and driving across the state line, do not make for effective gun control.

    But, since the NRA spends a lot of time and money trying to WEAKEN existing gun control laws, and prevent their enforcement, your point is moot.

    Where did I get the idea that that's what the NRA does? By reading the crawl on the bottom of their website!
     
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    The multitude of assault weapon bullets picked from the bodies of each 1st grader at Newtown were fired from a GUN, and as many as 11 bullets were taken from one body. Even seasoned policemen were sickened at the sight of these defenceless kids and are experiencing post Newtown stress. Any reasonable person will agree that guns were responsible for the carnage.

    The NRA is responsible for sale of these guns and labels assault weapons as "fun guns". These guns have been used in the last few mass attacks .Assault weapons were originally manufactured for warfare. The NRA has paid off many Congressmen, and their lobby is one of the strongest ones in the country, pracitcally writing all the gun laws and their loopholes. The NRA annual income allows them to pay their CEOs millions annually...pretty (*)(*)(*)(*) good propaganda for a 'hunting and sportsman' organization.

    We should ban all guns as they are under human control, while dogs are not.
     
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    Exactly. We should make sure that ALL of AMERICA has the same kind of STRICT GUN CONTRAL that Chicago has.

    It isn't fair that Chicago gets to be Number #1 in MURDERS all by itself!!

    We can spread this Leftninny Gun Control Success to ALL OF AMERICA, if we listen to airheaded numbskulls like the cited Huffblows idiot in the OP.

    All while nauseatingly EXPLOITING THE DEATHS OF THE DEAD CHILDREN OF SANDY HOOK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO SUIT THEIR POLITICAL AGENDA...STILL!!!

    Leftninnies are ready for the fight to disarm you in the face of criminals...are you?
     
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    Hey Fitz...I SAW this at the deli in my Giant Food Market today!!! It's delicious if you like the whole Breitbart thing, but the nutritional value on the label rates just below rat sh!t contaminated sawdust....just like the "Breitster" himself.

    Mmmmmm...Breitbart Baloney.

    Ciao, baby!!!
     
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    1) If you were on a drug raid I'll wager you were carrying a gun...not a dog!!

    2) A gun is like a sneaky and quiet dog...and easier to kill with if it is an assault weapon with a multi bullet magazine. Sneaky dogs cannot kill that many people as fast!!
     
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    but...but...I thought you needed guns to HUNT and exercise your 2nd Amendment sh*t with!!

    Are you saying that you will go after criminals with your gun? Isn't that what the police are for? Am I missing something here or are you one of those whacko white-supremacist weirdos that needs to fondle their guns to feel secure?
     
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    I just knew it before I hit the button to open the thread. Another Huffpo article. Another slanted piece of garbage.

    The Founders had cannons in their front yards. This is the ultimate assault weapon of thier age. That idiotic argument is not going to fly!
     
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    what fight? Senate Democrats don't have the balls to put a bill out for a vote. NRA does not have to do anything except look at the rural state Democrats and say "go ahead and make our day "
     
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    Except that practically every Congressman is on the take from NRA in return for lax rules pertaining to guns.

    And the president himself may have accepted some "campaign donations" even when there were no elections, so that this is a major fight with only a small faction of the Senate, and the majority of Americans in favor of any legislation to strengthen the rules and to ban certain assault weapons that were buitl for warfare, not for killing of schoolchildren.
     
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    Bullcrap. FIVE of the eleven security personell at Sidwell Friends School (GASP!! Obama sends his kids to a RELIGIOUS SCHOOL????!!!!!! Oh the OUTRAGE!!??), are listed as "Special Police Officers".

    Yeah..they're not armed.....right.
     
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    1) Gosh, should I feel properly evaluated that even after seeing it was a Huffington Post article, you STILL decided to read the article and smear the Huffington Post in lieu of an honest reply?

    2) Big News for you...there are now more than 13 states and the Articles of Confederation giving power to those states has been stricken to the newer and more conclusive Constitution, but neither Articles of Confederation of 1777 nor the Constitution of 1787 would have allowed individuals to run amuck shooting schoolchildren with weapons of warfare described as "fun guns" by the NRA.

    and...the 'not going to fly' argument is a little late, isn't it? Hint: look at the legislation in all the states, in the White House and Senate.
     
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    Do you ever tire of just making up whatever bullcrap you want to pretend is true?

    The NRA is GROWING in popularity since Sandy Hook, because Americans see right through the SICKENING EXPLOITATION of DEAD CHILDREN by the Left, for their never-ending political attempte to strip Americans of their individual rights.,

    Meanwhile:
    Obama has now, COMPLETELY FLIPPED on the armed guards issue, and adopted the NRA's position.

    Why? Because only an IDIOT would continue to pretend that armed guards are not a deterrent to attacks.
     
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    Problem with that though is that most mass shootings happen in close quarters with exceptions like Texas or the DC snipers in which case, a ban on assault weapons would still be irrelevant since they didn't use them. This example your bringing up simply almost never happens.

    But nice try.
     

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