Part IV Post your tough Questions on Christianity

It is what happens when one assumes, as you do so often.
You think someone asking questions, searching for answers, seeking truth is an atheist. It is what is wrong with folks who think they know it all.

 

Give me an example of a kind.

 

How the heck did you get that from what he said?

 

how exactly do you know this?

One thing is for sure. the writers of the bible were profoundly ignorant of the world they lived in. they were extremely primitive.

they mistook natural disasters for miracles.
they mistook good fortune for prayers answerd and misfortune for punishment of sin.
they thought you could build a tower to heaven
they thought you could build an ark to house all the animals in the world
they thought god flooded the entire world in retribution

The only explanation they had for the unexplainable in their world was divinity.

just like every other civilization before them. it served exactly the same purpose as roman mythology or greek mythology etc.

but human conceit is such that of course we are special in the universe and if we righteously fear god and obey his commandments we'll win eternal life, but if we slip up, a demigods "sacrifice" or rather "inconvenience" enables us to be absolved of our sins if we sincerely feel bad enough.

I won't mention the demigod wasn't a demigod until 300 years after he was "inconvenienced", but i guess I just did.

Oh well, chacun son gout.

 

Yes, for 1600 years they tried and tried to destroy the truth and the more vicious they tried the more the truth spread and spread. Yes, biases, heresay, distortion, fiction and insults against the Bible and God and the truth about the Bible kept over coming all those.

 

No assumption from me, your questions is not about searching for the truth it is about destroying truth. They think they are more knowing than God.

 

Ape kind = gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutan, etc.
Dog kind = german shepard, pitbull, bulldog, etc.
Reptile kind = crocodile, lizards, turtles, etc.
Human kind = Africans, Asians, Europeans etc.

If that is not acceptable to you that is okay.

 

So now you are Alfalfa spokesman??
Ok here it is READ his post

 

Some of the first born males were infants, newborns, toddlers. What you are saying that they were military adjuncts is so pointedly silly it is hard to believe you are serious in your response. It's too absurd, and I am trying but I can't think that little of you. You can't be that disconnected from reality.

A myth to entertain the public. Yeah, that sounds right, in both cases.

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So how did you know the dates of all these events? In this thread you have given definitive dates for all of these. Did God whisper these in your ear while all the rest of the planet slept?

 

Because it is written in the Bible and supported by Biblical history.

The Bible writers are what we now refer to as scholars, scientist, philosophers, teachers and professors. They were the most educated people of their time.

They understood the power, almightiness and mystery of God. Modern scientist are still seeking the answers to the the mystery and unpredictable nature of nature.

Because they understand that the ultimate answer is God.

This proof that all civilization did recognize the existence of a god or gods they were just worshipping the wrong gods because fallen angels have usurp God.

Atheist have tried to impose the no God rule and the result was extreme suppression and oppression of the people ex; communism.

Yes you did proof that the demigods were all false gods and that the True God was finally reveal to all.

Amen, may God be with you and guide you.

 

I see. so actual observable facts are to be ignored. this is nothing more than propagating ignorance in the face of knowledge and I believe its irresponsible behaviour.

the fairy tales of genesis.
the ridiculousness of babel
the impossible flood
the completely implausible ark
the stupid survival of a man inside a whale for a week.
the idiotic world is 6,000 years old.

No, these myths are completely divorced from the reality we know (or should anyway)

I am aware that they were of the miniscule segment of the population that was literate. This does not negate the fact that they were profoundly ignorant.

Yes, modern scientists will always seek answers. However, they obviously didn't understand the events that were going on around them. They had no clue what the cause of earthquakes, violent weather systems, drought, for instance. They thought that volcanoes were entrances to hell. They were laden down with superstitions.

No. they could not conceive of any other answer. It was beyond their perception of the world.

(I shall create another post for a couple of other tough questions)

Huh? you mean to tell me that God let mankind wander around without guidance for a couple hundred thousand years before finally revealing himself? Why did he become concerned about his creation so late in their development?

That has nothing to do with the point I was making about human conceit. Humans needed to feel special, they needed to know where they came from, they needed to know where they would go, they needed to know that their conscienceness did not end in death, they needed to have a purpose because they were too ignorant to ascertain their true purpose in nature.

Interesting perspective. So the Catholics didn't suppress and oppress the protestants? The Catholics didn't suppress and oppress the gnostics after the first council of nicaea where constantine declared jesus devine?

so your demi god was better than all the other ones. And you know this because the bible told you. Okay.

thank you for the sentiment, but it is completely lost on me. God isnt with me, he doesn't guide me and I do not pray.

 

Know implies that you have actual proof of the thing that is claimed to be known. Where is the proof offered by science that validates the list of things that you claim are in the 'know' category.

 

Cool .. which tough question did you come up with a legitimate answer to ?

 

What is absurd is that you seem to ignore the reality of life during ancient times, the reality that life is very harsh, brutal and barbaric, the reality that ancient empire centuries before Israel or Noah or Abraham slaughtering, killing, slavery and wiping out of tribes is the way of life back a no mercy or survival of the fittest. You only want to single God out for reacting and taking the tough decision to put an end or at least try to stop and to punish all these evilness, that is the reality. Those infants that you claim to be innocent are not because their parents are going to raise them as the succession warriors and killers to wipe out other tribes and to continue their parents evilness.

The difference is that the myth of the Oscar writers is that everyone gets to go home after reading or watching their movies or reading the story books. While the Bible people they don't they have to face the reality that rival religions and anti Bible people are out to wipe them out.

I learn of those dates from secular and biblical scholars and in some ways I meditated to the Holy Spirit for guidance and the Holy Spirit did guided me to post answers base on all the available informations out there to answer or to counter all the tough questions and anti Christ attackers.

 

if the bible is the word of god, why don't christians follow the word of god?

here is the list of Capital Crimes in the bible:

Sexual activities

• Adultery (Leviticus 20:10-12, man and woman)
• Lying about virginity. Applies to girls who are still in their fathers' homes, who lie about their virginity, and are presented to their husband as a virgin. The accused is guilty until proved innocent. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)
• The daughter of a priest practicing prostitution (death by fire) (Leviticus 21:9)
• Rape of a virgin who is engaged. If she is not engaged you only have to marry her and give her father 50 shekels. No mention is made of the girl’s opinion, and no punishment is specified for raping a single non-virgin female. (Deuteronomy 22:25)
• Being the victim of rape, if one is an engaged female virgin and the rape occurs in a city. If it takes place in a field, the victim is spared because nobody would have heard her screams. (Deuteronomy 22:23-27)
• Men practicing bestiality. (Both man and animal die). (Leviticus 20:15) [4]
• Women practicing bestiality (Both woman and animal die). (Leviticus 20:16) [4]
• Having sex with your father’s wife, as distinct from "your mother", as it was common practice for men at the time to have several wives. (both die) (Leviticus 20:20)
• Having sex with your daughter-in-law. (Leviticus 20:30)
• Incest. (Leviticus 20:17) [5]
• (for men): Sex with a man in the same manner as sex with women. Generally interpreted as male homosexuality. nothing for girls(Leviticus 18:22)
• Marrying a woman and her daughter. They are all burnt to death (Leviticus 20:14)

A couple of these demand that the "sinners" be burned to death rather than stoned — which was the more usual form of capital punishment. One can wonder why these crimes in particular merit this especially horrible fate.

Religious laws

• Worshiping idols (Exodus 22:20, Leviticus 20:1-5, Deuteronomy 17:2-7).
• Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:14-16,23).
• Breaking the Sabbath (Exodus 31:14, Numbers 15:32-36).
• Practicing magic (Exodus 22:1.
• Being a medium or spiritualist. (Stoning) (Leviticus 20:27).
• Trying to convert people to another religion. (stoning) (Deuteronomy 13:1-11, Deuteronomy 18:20).
• Apostasy - If most people in a town come to believe in a different god. (Kill everybody, including animals, and burn the town.) (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)[6]
• Giving one of your descents to Molech. Probably refers to human sacrifice, which is not now as commonly practised. (Leviticus 20:2)
• Non-priests going near the tabernacle when it is being moved. (Numbers 1:51)
• Being a false prophet. (Deuteronomy 13:5, Deuteronomy 18:20, Zechariah 13:2-3)

Parents and Children.

• Striking your parents (Exodus 21:15).
• Cursing your parents (Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9).
• Being a stubborn and rebellious son. And being a profligate and a drunkard. (stoning) Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
  

Violent and legal crimes

• Murder. However if a slave is beaten to death the owner is “punished” — not necessarily killed. If the slave survives the beating then there is no punishment. This is part of a wide range of slavery laws in the Old and New Testament. (Genesis 9:6, Exodus 21:12, Numbers 35:16-21)
• Kidnapping and selling a man. This is really a law against making an Israelite a slave against his will, as other laws happily allow the "stealing of men" to make slaves. (Exodus 21:16).
• Perjury (in certain cases) (Deuteronomy 19:15-21). Deuteronomy 19:20 explicitly identifies that the purpose of this is deterrence. "The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing (malicious and false testimony by one man against another) be done among you."
• Ignoring the verdict of a judge – (or a priest!) (Deuteronomy 17:8-13).
• Not penning up a known dangerous bull, if the bull subsequently kills a man or a woman. Both the animal and the reckless owner of the dangerous bull are to be put to death. (Exodus 21:29)

Things that don’t go anywhere else.

• Living in a city that failed to surrender to the Israelites. (Kill all the men, make the women and
  children slaves.) (Deuteronomy 20:12-14)

Possible grounds for execution.
The following carry the punishment of being "cut off from his people". Some people seem to feel that this is the same as the death penalty, although the ancient Israelites may simply have interpreted it as exile.

• A male who is not circumcised. (Genesis 17:14)
• Eating leavened bread during the Feast of Unleavened Bread. (Exodus 12:15)
• Manufacturing anointing oil. (Exodus 30:33
• Engaging in ritual animal sacrifices other than at the temple. (Leviticus 17:1-9)
• Sexual activity with a woman who is menstruating: (Leviticus 20:1
• Consuming blood: This would presumably include eating rare meat and black pudding. Also see above. (Leviticus 17:10).
• Eating peace offerings while ritually unclean: (Leviticus 7:20)
• Waiting too long before consuming sacrifices: (Leviticus 19:5-
• Going to the temple in an unclean state: (Numbers 19:13

Then there is the extensive rules and laws governing SLAVERY.

Then there are the 20 or so versus about not charging interest on loans.

So, my questions are these.

If the bible is the inerrant word of god, why do christians not adhere to the laws given down from the almighty?

Who determined that these laws were no longer applicable?

What makes the writers of the bible who claim to write the word of god any different than those that claim to hear and understand the word of god today? People like Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert, Ted Haggert, morris cerrulo, and dozens and dozens more.

 

Nice copy and paste work. Question: Why don't all atheists obey the laws of man?

 

And God gave men the responsibility and authority to rule over this world, Jesus Christ New Testament have largely amended those laws or regulations that is why part of Biblical evolution the Cannon Laws were develop the same Cannon Laws that modern secular societies use as a blueprint to preserve and expand freedom, equality, law and order.

 

Okay.

Genesis:
Adam and Eve - created from dirt. Dirt does not contain the necessary biological material to create life. Scientist have discovered a rather long line of extinct ancestors that are not homo sapiens sapiens, so unless Adam and Eve weren't homo sapiens sapiens, their made outta dirt is completely incorrect

A TALKING SNAKE???????????? A snake does not have the capacity for speech either morphologically or intellectually

Create the earth in 6 days. The age of the universe is at last 13.7 billion years old. This is categorically and unequivocally proven.

The Flood -
1.There isn't enough water on the planet to cover the earth to a depth of 6 feet higher than the highest mountain. If that is everest then world had to flood to a depth of 29035 feet or a tad over FIVE miles. Even if you made it 12000 feet, there still isn't enough water to cover the planet. Not to mention if it only rained for 40 days, it would require a downfall of meters per minute.

2. There is NO global sedimentary evidence of a flood.

3. Prior to and long after the flood was supposed to have occured the sumarian civilization existed without interruption.

4. Prior to and long after the flood was supposed to have occured the egyptian civilization existed without interruption

5. The flood supposedly lasted 1 year, more than sufficient time to drown all plant life. how could anything survive without plants, and again there is not geological or archeological evidence of a giagantic simultaneous die off of plants.

6. What happened to all of the insects?

7. What happened to all the saltwater fish, mammals, corals etc etc who cannot live in fresh or even brackish water?

8 What happened to all the freshwater fish, amphibians, mollusks etc.who cannot live in salt or even brackish water?

9. The bible informs us that Man is apart from the animals so repopulation of the earth would be by Noah and his family. In this case where did black, asian, aboriginal peoples come from? how could the earth be repopulated so quickly with only noahs family to procreate?

10. The tower of Babel. Why would god be mad at humans for trying to build a tower that couldn't rise more than a few hundred feet at most. When it fell the "scattering" created all the tribes and languages on earth? You cannot be serious in believing this fairytale, particulary given our knowledge of human origin and migration patterns and our knowledge of linguistics.

It isn't the holy word of god, it is the holy word of man. God didn't make man in his own image, Man made God in his own image. And the superstitious, ignorant primitives lapped it up in the absence of anything else that could be imagined.

 

Okay exactly where in the new testament are the old testament laws amended?
The laws against interest are jesus' laws or did you forget the little spat with the moneylenders at the temple.
Also, jesus did not proscribe slavery.
Also, he did not proscribe rape and considered women to be property.

this is a completely useless exercise, you have faith and faith trumps fact. YOu can't argue with stupid and you can't argue with faith.

cheers.

 

So... to you kind means basically anything under a specific heading. Dog's "kind" includes all of its different separations (breeds), human's "kind" includes all of its "races", reptile's "kind" includes all the different orders, families, and species of reptile... this doesn't seem consistent

 

You mean that people have tried to explain the Exodus (an event that didn't happen as stated in the Bible) with an actual historic event? Yes. That isn't an "alternative event", that is an actual historical event.

 

You better check again.

Not just any old snake. You must keep things in context. That snake was an angel who did have the capacity of speech and capable of thinking. Now prove that there are no such things as angels. You are attempting to discredit the Bible, so prove your claims.

According to the practice of numerology which was created by man. God is much smarter than man.

Have you or anyone else measured every drop of water that is available on this planet?

Sharks teeth found at some mountain tops.

Again based upon the practice of numerology which was created by man.

Again based upon the practice of numerology which was created by man.

Why would there be. Seeds float. Hydroponics is an interesting study that you should undertake.

On the ark... remember 2 of all the creatures.

According to modern understanding of marine life. Perhaps a dash of salt was added to the flood recipe.

Perhaps the ark was equipped with an aquarium large enough to support such life.

Read the Bible with greater understanding and keep up with the chronology of events.

Our knowledge of human origin and migration patterns and our knowledge of linguistics. Be serious. On the linguistics side... the old scripts written by the Hebrew people contained no vowels... yet the linguistics experts added vowels not knowing where to place them or which vowels were to be placed where. Migration patterns? What was the location of the first man and woman found on this planet? Where did they originate?

And yet you still cannot duplicate (with all of your scientific KNOWLEDGE) the things that were created. Lap that up with your test tubes and electron microscopes and your ability to kill humans as though they were lab rats.

 

I will ask agian. "If christianity is true how come it's not accepted worldwide?" "If the bible is true how come it's not accepted worldwide?" You talk truth from a 1600 year old book; that truth if there ever was any truth in it died when the fabled authors met their doom. If christainity had the ability to solve the world's problems as it claims it would have do so 1600 years ago. So can you answer the two questions in this post?

 

For the record. The Christians were unable to even attempt a response at the question above. Their ideology is now proven flawed since they dont have a rebuttal. Refusal to answer means you dont have an answer otherwise you would have.

 

I guess you didn't read my past respond just like you don't read links that is ok,, here is my respond to this again:

God created all animals before modern humans and part of those creatures are the dinosaurs. Eventually as I have mention the fallen angels corrupted the earth and the result was the total destruction a massive battle between the the Angels of God to cleanse the earth of all the fallen angels that battle resulted with the extinction of the dinosaurs and the introduction and beginning of modern man.

As for the million or billion of years, God is timeless the creation can easily mean that each human day = thousand or millions or years.