The Holocaust revised!!!!

I disgree -

The Holocaust have been blown completely out of what have happened, by post war Jews (Zionists) to cash in and exploit it to gain support for Zionism and stifle protests from Europeans + Americans , for Israel's dastardly /evil deeds / displacement/dispossesion of non-Jewish Palestinians

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Whatever number of Jews, Americans, Germans, British etc died, by whatever means, one thing is clear.

Many less would have died had an avoidable war not being declared. It amuses me that people think 'we' won anything.

What did we win?

How many millions have the US starved, bombed, and invaded, since the end of WW2?

How many millions have been starved in Africa etc, due to the debts, that do not need to be there?

When was the last time you could point to any British Gov and say 'Wow, tell you something, they are really people orientated'?

Who are the one and only nation to use atomic bombs on innocent people, and sort of make out like it is nothing?

What sort of state is the Middle East in now, compared to the 30's and 40's?

I could go on, but I fail to see how I can do a victory dance....

 

In Germany, if by way of your own money, and as an adult, you are found to have more than one historical revisionist book, about this one supposed event, in your own home, police can come and arrest you.

Anyone that defends that, is defending state autocracy.

 

i'd have to see that law in writing

 

I love the way people say I am not a bigot but then say "They" "The Jews" etc as if being Jewish makes you part of hive mind.
But ignorance is a staple of deniers of the Shoah and all matter of conspiracy nuttiness... oh BTW

By the late 1940s, ,Holocaust (with either a lowercase or capital H) became a more specific term due to its use in Israeli translations of the word sho'ah. This Hebrew word had been used throughout Jewish history to refer to assaults upon Jews, but by the 1940s it was frequently being applied to the Nazis' murder of the Jews of Europe. (Yiddish-speaking Jews used the term churbn, a Yiddish translation of sho'ah.) The equation of holocaust with sho'ah was seen most prominently in the official English translation of the Israeli Declaration of Independence in 1948, in the translated publications of Yad Vashem throughout the 1950s, and in the journalistic coverage of the Adolf Eichmann trial in Israel in 1961. Shoah is the Hebrew word for catastrophe.

 

Of course it's your right to disagree with historical facts just as it is anyody elses right to do so. But don't expect to be taken seriously if you do. Holocaust denialism is no different in principle to claiming that the science underpinning man-made climate change is a hoax, man didn't land on the moon or that 9-11 was an inside job.

 

You still haven't answered my question. Where did those millions disappear to? They didn't all die from typhus did they?
There is plenty of documentary proof; you choose to deny it exists.http://judaism.about.com/od/holocaust/a/its_badarolson.htm

I expect your "double treble research" missed that little detail.

 

The elephant crapping in the room is that one.

 

Yep, and all those Nazi files-50 million pages of them-are all forgeries and part of a vast Zionist plot, no doubt...http://www.spiegel.de/international...sferred-to-museums-in-us-israel-a-501339.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-2267927.html

When these records are eventually released into the public domain, I'll take great pleasure in shoving them in the faces of the denier idiots.

 

You are speaking of Jews only ? yes ?

There have been a couple of serious sums done to find, as far as one could in the aftermath of such a War, the numbers.

The first was by Rassinier himself, even though he didn't have the amount of evidence we have now it is thought to still be one of the best and not far from the mark

http://www.vho.org/aaargh/engl/RassArch/PRdebunk/PRdebunk141.html

 

The judges, historians, politicians and survivors are all in on it too.

 

What are they ? do tell. And would you show us some in evidence, please.


The Germans kept meticulous details of absolutely everything but a photo of a man standing in front of documents tells us not what is within. There are still many more in Russia yet to be found but who do they send them all too ? Tell me who do they send them to? And who is allowed to see them ? And who is not allowed to see them ?

I'll tell you, you will only find one and that says nothing of gas chambers..

 

No, everyone-Jews, Poles, Communists, Homosexuals, Gypsies and anyone else either not fitting the Aryan stereotype, or whoever Hitler and his lunatic cabal deemed 'untermenschen'.

 

"Serious sums". Right. So, pray tell me how this bloke could have done his 'serious sums' without access to Nazi documentation? I suspect he guessed-and you fell for it.

 

If you don't know who Paul Rassinier was then you know little or nothing of the German Camps.

There you go,most of the real victims are mocked, belittled ............ as usual, how revoltingly unjust..

I am going to eat .....for all your numbers I would need time .......After your belittling a man who suffered and wrote the truth about life in the Camps, should I bother at all ?

 

And who are the 'real' victims who are being mocked and belittled? In your esteemed opinion, of course.

 

Correction , I disagree with YOUR understanding / interpretation of historical events.

Bear in mind neither of us were eyewitnesses , unless ofcourse you would wish to claim otherwise.

It reflects poorly on you that you find need to resort to deflection /diversionery tactics with totally irrelevent crap like comparing what I've said with

TMR - with respect - let's stick to facts and please cut the daft -ridiculous BS.

 

You just belittled Paul Rassinier ...so that must be who I am talking about don't you think ?

 

The facts are as outlined by the vast majority of serious historians. Anything else, is by definition, denialism, and denialism is conspiracy theory.

 

Try getting work as a Historian if you deny the Holocaust looooooooooool really that is a stupid proof. They all get sacked !
Loose their pensions, get beaten up, killed, death threats against themselves and family, refused medical help. exiled ......................... and etc

 

Serious historian = anyone that toes the offical line.

How can anyone possibly do otherwise, when to do so is going to see you in a European gulag, or maybe firebombed, like Zundel?

If they cannot use the legal system, they use intimidation and violence.

That is what you are supporting.

 

Ah, the father of Holocaust denialism.

 

You make it sound like this is 1312 and we are denying God!!!!

 

So you should get the sack. You would be a laughing stock among your peers. Conspiracy theorists normally get that kind of reaction.

 

And do we ever hear from Europeans in these discussions ? No never ........they dare not. And who can blame them ?