Guess who's planning to screw you out of EARNED entitlements? Surprised?

Ahhh; you do Limbaugh proud! I think I hear Rush gettin' a woodie.

 

Projection. Seek professional help.

 

Social security, once all the bookkeeping misdirection is cleared away, is simply another government spending program funded by current taxes. There is no magic bank account where those taxes are being stashed. There IS, however, a record of how much you contributed, which is used to set a payment amount upon eligibility.

What I enjoy about these discussions is that every government expenditure benefits someone, and the really big expenditures tend to benefit a LOT of people. And that in turn means that if those expenses aren't being reduced, the idiot in office is fiscally irresponsible. If they ARE being reduced, it means the idiot in office is taking your benefits away!

(Unless the idiot in office is of YOUR party, in which case he's an enlightened statesman doing a marvelous job whether expenses go up or down.)

 

It's bizarre being a Conservative these days. A lot of us, like me, dislike the socialist Welfare State, whether it's handout-welfare for nearly everything imaginable to people for years and years, OR, whether it's corporate welfare of the kind that has been lavished on investment bankers and these other "too-big-to-fail" bastards since August 2007 -- they're the ones who caused so much of these problems in the economy in the first place!

So what do we on the Right get? A field of candidates who talk all the time about "cutting entitlements" but never making any distinction between those which are EARNED, and those which are nothing but handout-welfare. Rick Santorum is a good example of exactly the kind of candidate who came out loud and proud about cutting Social Security and look at what that got him! Between that and his politically insane war on Roe v Wade, he sunk himself, and if the Republican Party continues to advocate this kind of thing, they're going to lose their House majority in 2014, and after that, they'll eventually sink to the obscurity of being just another kind of Third Party thrashing around out there, somewhere....

That's why it utterly amazes me to see OBAMA coming out with this "screw people on Social Security" bull****! It's completely unnecessary and it can only hurt him and all the Democrats with 80,000,000 Baby Boomers (among others) who might be Right-wing in their hearts, but will never vote for a Republican again if it means taking a ****ing on their EARNED entitlements. From the first time I ever heard him open his mouth, I have never thought Obama was all that smart, frankly, and now I'm sure of it....

 

This is a good point. Obama's motivation, as far as I can tell, is to show that HE is willing to compromise, he's willing to give half a loaf to get half a loaf. He's willing to recognize that if the budget is ever to be balanced, it can ONLY happen by cutting into the big entitlement programs. He's apparently willing to alienate his core supporters in his efforts to get the Republicans to play politics as they were elected to do.

And clearly, this isn't too bright. The Republicans aren't about to compromise, not about to give up anything. Boehner already laughed at Obama's offer. Obama should have realized the Republicans weren't going to bargain, they never do.

As for "earned entitlements", this is silly. There's no such thing and never has been, despite lip-flapping to the contrary. Social security is just a tax, spent as fast as it's collected. When you pay taxes, you aren't "earning" anything.

 

The left of course....To them everyone's money is actually the governments and therefor all money is equal. If they could buy more votes with earned money stolen they will steal the money..

 

Less room on the planet.

 

I heard someone on the news today note that even if the draconian cut to the cost of living increase was fully enacted, it would result in a $5 a month cut in anticipated increases for a fellow making $2000 a month in SS....

I fail to see that as a serious change to anything and hardly worthy of the lefts hysteria or the applause from the right...

When he offers to cut all government entitlement by 5% from todays receipts, THEN we would have something to debate.

 

Wouldn't it be nice if working stiffs could stop paying? Wouldn't it be nice to have that simple liberty and bit of leverage over the government?

Revolution. It's the only way.

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Nickels and dimes... They do add up.

 

How can one have a reasonable offer when that offer must always involve more never ending tax increases. Ever time that card is played and wins the left plays it again.

 

Do you have any clue what you're talking about? If so, you don't hint at it.

Social security is a tax, which is ENTIRELY spent just as fast as it's collected, day by day. Social security benefits are one of the many expenditures that tax goes for - much of it has been going into the General Fund. There is no difference between money spent paying SS benefits, and money spent building roads. It's tax money being spent by government. There is no such thing as an "earned" entitlement.

 

I am 7 months from starting my long deferred SS benefit and I KNOW there is zip aside from political fear keeping government from cutting it...

Being a military retiree, I am completely used to the government lying about benefits...they can and will change them on a political whim and then pretend they made no such promise to begin with...

THAT is the problem with entitlements...You are entitled only as long as the government says you are.

 

Eventually it WILL be cut, but at least initially it will only be cut indirectly, by (in the current case) not increasing it quite as fast as before.

Yep, you got it. A government promise always has been, and always will be, something politicians hope will attract votes without doing too much damage. Everything is subject to change at all times, in any direction, depending on the political winds from day to day. Changing the majority party, of course, means big changes.

There's really no such thing as an entitlement, despite the misleading terminology. There are spending programs, each intended to achieve some social goal. Goals change all the time, and means of hopefully reaching them change all the time. Nobody is entitled to anything.

 

Earned as in contributed to or earned through work..ie, a pension....to be contrasted with the lefts favorite....welfare, a benefit given for breathing in exchange for political power.

 

Social security bears no resemblance to a pension or savings account. It is a straight expenditure of tax dollars. It is no different than welfare for the poor. It's just welfare for the elderly. The FICA withholding is not in any way a contribution to a retirement plan. It's just a tax, no different from income tax.

 

Amen. FDR started the lie and the USSC cleared it up in the late 30s. It's a tax. You're NOT ENTITLED.

 

A lack of tax payers is the problem.

 

For who? Republicans? They want to eliminate SS completely for the most part. How is jumping out of the pot into the fire logical?

Oh and of course I am not surprised, since Obama is the best republican democrats have ever elected, and the simpletons did it twice. The two party scam is just that, a scam. So keep voting the party line sheeple, since it doesn't matter which side is elected they are all part of the best government corporate money can buy.

 

Not anymore. The GOP, wanting to whack SS, knowing it was not politically possible to do so, essentially tried insert a virus, by rejiggering the accounting of it, turning SS, essentially, into General Fund program, and not a true trust fund. So, SS, today, is backed by the full faith and credit of the United States Government, the richest on earth. So worry not.

And our people are entitled, ergo "Entitlement." We all pay in, with the understanding that the payment entitle each and every one of us to X amount, based on what we pay in, and the age at which we retire. It's owed, and will be paid, despite GOP efforts to screw over our people.

Sorry to disappoint.

 

Baby boomers aborted 55 million tax payers needed to fund their retirement.

There arent enough people paying in to support those now receiving benefits.

Killing babies hurts America.

 

No sweat. The good people of Mexico, and other great nations, can up the slack. The species, and a growing US population, will survive, praise babyjesus!!!

 

and you wonder why conservatives think left handed progressive communists are destroying America on purpose......

 

Actually, no; I never wonder about that.

 

First of all, we need to stop allowing the left to apply a one size fits all to the term "entitlements". Medicaid is not the same as Medicare, and Welfare is not the same as Social Security.

Secondly, they aren't cutting jack (*)(*)(*)(*). They are reducing the amount of increases year over year and calling it a reduction.

Worst... they are doing it ONLY on the programs that are actually PAID for by the people who are eventually entitled to them, and with exclusions for the "must vulnerable", (meaning those people that never paid jack (*)(*)(*)(*)) they still get the same cost of living increases, more than those that actually pay.


What a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing joke.


Why can't I take my Social Security payments and invest them in my 401K? BECAUSE THEN DEMOCRATS CAN'T USE MY MONEY TO BUY POOR PEOPLES VOTES. End of story. Its that simple.

 

Im glad your finally admitting your hatred of our country.