Atheism

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by CyberCynic, Apr 23, 2013.

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does the United States need a new constitutional system?

  1. yes, the Constitution is inadequate for a modern society seeking tranquillity

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  2. no, the Constitution is an eternally perfect document for organizing a free society

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  1. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Everything has a cause?

    So who or what is the Watchmaker's Watchmaker?
     
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    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

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    I do not agree with your premise that proof of worth is required to obtain rights and civil liberties.
     
  3. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Calenders existed before Christianity.
    http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/astronomy/Calendar.html

    What is your point?
     
  4. CyberCynic

    CyberCynic New Member

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    yeah, but I doubt if you can recognize the aspects about religion that are necessary for understanding the future.
     
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    Wait,

    is this thread about Atheism?

    or t he Constitution?


    QUESTION:

    If anyone here is an atheist, how would you change the Constitution and why>?

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    Wait,

    is this thread about Atheism?

    or t he Constitution?


    QUESTION:

    If anyone here is an atheist, how would you change the Constitution and why>?
     
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    stekim New Member

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    I'm an atheist and I fail to see the connection between my lack of belief in gods and my thoughts vis a vis the Constitution. No changes I would propose have anything to do with my being an atheist.
     
  7. CyberCynic

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    Then how do we determine the worth of a demographic grouping of people - just because people exist, we are responsible for their lives???

    You really think it is necessary to help the stupid to enjoy the comfortable life of a genius???

    You think the genius needs to lower his expectations, and share the wealth, and that will bring peace on earth and economic harmony???
     
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    Leave us alone?



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    Leave the Constitution alone too.


    because it is inadequate for a modern society that knows how to organize community, because we know how to organize the civil engineering and maintenance for any situation, we know how to organize a criminal justice system, and a military; but they are corrupt. In 1787, they did not know how to completely set-up the system, they probably did better than they imagined, but the system has reached its level of competency for guiding a society that is as well networked as we are.

    I would imagine that they return the compliment.
     
  9. LeonCoDem

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    I was once a silly youngster that had things bumping under my bed and in my closet... taking teeth, and giving me presents. Then I grew-up and found boobs. Actually I'm an anti-theist. Many atheists don't believe in a god but wouldn't be bothered by one. My premise is that one never existed and if you claim one did, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
     
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    That's great, but your beliefs are anti-theist, so how can you ever believe in any theories? So, how can you ever know if you are seeing proof of anything at all?
     
  11. CyberCynic

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    Yeah, I'm sorry. I was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice - I got that mixed up with another thread during my initiation phase of when my first threads had to be reviewed by the moderators.

    I need to start that thread that the poll was for.
     
  12. LeonCoDem

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    Humanists do not ask who is of worth or who isn't. It seems to be the province of good Christians to determine the fate of others. And what happens in heaven? Who is allowed in? Each religion and denomination claims superiority over the other. If you desire to establish worth, begin with your own kind.

    One who believes in things they cannot see or prove should not be asking about stupid or genius.


     
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    Anti-theist is believing there never was a god. I'm not anti-theorist... which must be not believing in any theories.
     
  14. CyberCynic

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    Yeah, well you guys better shape up. This non-nonsensical silly crap about hard-atheism and soft-atheism is going to land you into the funny farm.


    Too late - I did it. You better get your thinking aligned with me. I'm your most reasonable leader.:oldman:
     
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    That would far tougher to defend.
     
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    That's interesting as I suppose I need proof of the existence of this Lewis. This is the anti-science method. For instance, there's one person the conservatives will use as an authority for no such thing as climate change vs. thousands on the left that will counter the assumptions of that single authority.

    You are on the losing side of history.
     
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    Actually it is very easy to defend. Try it.
     
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    "Atheists more generous than religious when helping others: study"

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...helping-study-article-1.1072386#ixzz1uCQXwdGL

    "A University of California, Berkeley, report suggests less religious people are driven by emotion, which spurs compassion"


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    :applause: Congrats! You've heard one thing you don't like so... any other explanation of that thing... must be the same... :blankstare:

    [video=youtube;_Prp615mmDk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Prp615mmDk[/video]
     
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    Not yet, anyway; but it is coming.

    And they will be given priority. I share in your grief, but atheists have not demonstrated a propensity to deliver a solution to the complex social problems we have, other than to suggest that people need to give up on religion, and that that will lead to a world without problems. That is the premise of the atheists agenda - right?

    Let me explain it to you, son - the world needs a sophisticated social contract system to organize all the cultures of people into harmony. Now who do you think should be responsible for delivering such a document?

    • The Founders of the United States
    • Christians
    • Jews
    • Hindus
    • Buddhists
    • Russians
    • Communists
    • Africans
    • Atheists
    • Humanists


    Which logic system do you think will produce a scientifically derived social contract system??

    Do you recognize who your kind is, and what their worth is to the here, now, and future? have you heard of any great ideas about fixing society coming from atheists? Do they have it in legislative form so we can get it through the process, or at least let other atheists review it, and maybe comment on it - got anything like that?

    Just want to keep pounding your head against the wall waiting for the Christians to write the legislation for us???

    The Christians are going to segregate people, and atheist are going to be submissive to it - you are not going to be able to claim much worth, except me and the celebrity atheists.
     
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    If everything has a cause, who is the Watchmaker's Watchmaker?

    Please answer, I want to watch you contradict yourself.
     
  22. perdidochas

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    You obviously haven't raised children. Children are basically sociopaths caring only about themselves, unless we teach them empathy.

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    Until the last century, most scientists were theists.
     
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    Because there were few atheists in positions of power.
     
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    Scientists being atheists is a pretty modern thing. Comparing science to religion is like comparing apples to toolboxes. Religion is not designed to make advances. Science is. They deal with separate things and realms of life.
     
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    There are still few atheists in positions of power.
     
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