The more Godless America becomes, the more 'uncivil' it also becomes

I foolishly argued from a traditional Christian perspective (back in my days of religious delusion) with a woman and one of her daughters about single-parent homes. There is no justification for attacking them, really - plenty of kids grow up just fine in such homes, and plenty of others come out of two-parent homes messed up as can be.

Religious people who think that their personal and social policies being followed by everybody would solve the world's ills have no grasp of reality. They prefer to maintain an easy, simple fantasy that allows them to cast blame everywhere they look and believe that there is a simple solution to the problems they say. A solution, I might add, that appears to be within their reach. I suppose that affords a measure of hope as well, since they might conceivably "set someone straight" with their preaching.

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Does God hate bad spelling as much as he does curse words?

 

I think you missed the point of my post. It could be any "belief" religious or otherwise. The point is to understand the distinction between having a belief and forcing that belief on others.

In a free and just society that has any respect for the rule of law, the state needs a valid reason to make a law.

In general, the state has no legitimate authority to prohibit what one does with ones own body with no direct harm to others. Some will exclaim " the State does this all the time" and they would be correct.

If you notice that this is the case then you should realize that you do not live in a free and fair society.

There are extreme cases where an argument can be made for the state making such laws. Say against Heroin. Notice, that like murder or theft, the overwhelming majority of citizens (90+ %) recognize that this should be a law.

This is not the case with alcohol or pot for example where there is a significant majority that want the freedom to do these things.

There are certainly no civilized countries that I know of that support killing the babies of unmarried girls. If you were to take a poll in the US it would be 90% + against regardless of religious affiliation.

As for killing the girls - it would be 90% against regardless of religious affiliation (with the possible exception of one extremist religious group that we need not mention)

 

I mentioned that possibility once, but so far no women have completed the Marine Special Ops training as of 2 weeks ago! How many masculine women can carry a 220 lb man off the field of combat? Some...but enuf to populate the need?

 

Ahhh...my OP poster boy showed up !!

 

Are you trying to draw me into one of your 'long, exhaustive tit-for-tat posting marathons' like you do with Incorporeal, egging him on, badgering him, and then blaming HIM for the 'whole' thing!

Ha ha You're a piece of work!

Sorry, but 'dis homey dont play dat game."

 

Yep, your country is going to hell in a hand basket because of me and my potty mouth.

*******n it.

 

Thx again poster boy, as "By YOUR words YOU will be justified, and by YOUR words YOU will be condemned."

Glad you have taken responsibility....

 

Why wouldn't I take responsibility?

You might want to start a pogrom, by the way. God won't look kindly on you letting me get away with this wickedness.

 

No. I'm just wondering why you don't read the work of contemporary scholars, and rather feed your need to see the country in an antiquated light by reading antiquated authors.
If you find the questions too hard, just don't answer them.
Why have American Christian posters become so uncivil?

 

FYI: Sport

Maybe you missed this post, but your speech just verifies the crux in it!

Looks like the cats are crapping in the playground.....I'm going for supper! (altho my wife's meat loaf does kinda look like....!!)

 

The president was also raised by a single mom.

45% of all kids today are raised by single moms.
Most are OK, though the stats and psychologists suggest this is not wholesome in general.

But the issue boils down to 70% of all crime and social problems are caused by fatherless kids.



CHILDREN NEED BOTH PARENTS

It’s a Fact
Here’s why:

63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census).

90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes.

85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes.
(Source: Center for Disease Control).

80% of rapist motivated by displaced anger come from fatherless homes. (Source:
Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol. 14, pp. 403-26).

71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. (Source: National Principals Assoc. Report on the State of High Schools).

85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. (Source: Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. Of Corrections, 1992).

These statistics translate to mean that children from fatherless homes are:

5 times more likely to commit suicide
32 times more likely to run away
20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
14 times more likely to commit rape
9 times more likely to drop out of high school
20 times more likely to end up in prison


Children from fatherless homes are*:

Children from "fatherless families of single mother" homes are*:

• 15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
• 4.6 times more likely to commit suicide
• 6.6 times more likely to become teenaged mothers
• 24.3 times more likely to run away
• 15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
• 6.3 times more likely to be in a state-operated institutions
• 10.8 times more likely to commit rape
• 6.6 times more likely to drop out of school
• 15.3 times more likely to end up in prison while a teenage
• 73% of adolescent murderers come from mother only homes
• 6.3 times more likely to be in state operated institutions


Daughters who live in mother only homes are 92% more likely to divorce**

 

Apparently the questions have gotten too hard.
Sorry I taxed you.

 

Funny how it never comes but they been telling us for centuries it will

 

Church and state should be separate. The 1st amendment effectively says the state cannot form a religion or show preference for one, but it does say we have the freedom of religion, not that we have freedom from religion. Religious activities should be allowed by all faiths on public property. That does not encroach on the 1st amendment.

 

Fk xhit

 

We have freedom from religion in the sense that no one can impose a faith upon us.

I must agree, though, that religious activities carried out on public property are not necessarily ban-worthy. Things just get dicey when government officials get involved, since there comes a point where it at least appears that government and religion are united, and that's obviously playing with fire where the 1st Amendment is concerned, since it does at the very least "show a preference" for a given religion.

Neither are there many legitimate reasons to combine religious activities with government. The two have no place together, really.

 

Due to the quote function the poster this was directed at, may never see this post.

 

Sorry I wasnt at you beck & call!

I have to go out of town today, so do I need to chk in with you?

I like history 'untainted' by those who dont have axes to grind...like today's revisionist Liberal academia types who always have an agenda to push!

Besides that, I downloaded all for free on my Kindle being an Amazon prime member, as 'Classic works' are made available for FREE!!

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[But it looks like this thread has run it's 'profitable course' as the postings are pretty much just insults. And I think that I've made myself clear as to my point by all the examples seen on it that validate my OP...]

 

It's course was set from the OP. Implying that godlessness makes one less civil is an insult to begin with, so it is not surprising that some replies sunk to your level.

 

Some folks just cant handle a little 'tough love,' huh? And calling them out is sometimes 'necessary'..

Sorry my texted 'whip made of cords' did offend some, but money changers & trolls usually need it!

[btw, prof, I thought you & I got that all straight on another thread a couple of weeks ago...did you 'backslide?!')..

 

I seem to recall we ended up with a certain level of amicability but I doubt we agreed that atheism makes one uncivil

 

Please tell me what years in human history were the ones where humans were perfect?

 

So you invite something, and what point is it exactly made when you get what you ask for?

 

W/o 'refighting ' the battle, the only thing that keeps atheists in line is the law and threat of imprisonment...what 'absolute morals' are there to confine them & restrict them from living a self-centered life and moving into soft-Hedonism? And soft-Hedonism will eventually lead to open Hedonism, NAMBLA, child porn, sex slavery, etc. A Pandora's box...

There are moral atheists who respect others using the Biblical 'do unto others..." but that is even following a theological principle.

When the 'godless' who scripture says are 'in rebellion' toward the things of God, ALL kinds of deviations and self-seeking behaviors will come forth and the result will be an 'uncivil' society w/o any absolutes for individual conduct and an abundance of lawyers' to beat the system...btw, the US has more lawyers than engineers , and so it's a race of technology in solving our problems vs. law suits in tying technology's hands....

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Touche...my intended sarcasm is all the prof's fault! He's a bad influence..

 

Jesus H. Christ..