The more Godless America becomes, the more 'uncivil' it also becomes

You would be sorr--ee.

 

Again, you mentioned 'the Crown' and being Chinese which would mean you come from Hong Kong?

We dont hear much about Hong Kong, other than is prosperous and was given back to the mainland Chinese Govt.

Just a little reading about Hong Kong and it's 'civility' vs. mainland China did bring up some interesting info--one was this little para. that distinguished Hong Kong and its mores and law from mainland China and their oppressive revolution as being a product of the British colonization:


"These aren’t racial differences because most Mainland people and Hong Kong people are Han Chinese. It’s based on socialization and the vastly different development of two regions: the Mainland went through decades of violent political turmoil, followed by decades of rapid social upheaval under an authoritarian government. Hong Kong was brought up British with an emphasis on politeness, English-language ability, adherence to western traditions, celebration of western holidays (like Christmas and Easter), and even Christianity (churches seem to be on nearly every block)."

http://www.zhongnanhaiblog.com/?p=475

So it sounds like the British Christian society 'rubbed off' and aided in the establishment of 'civility' in Hong Kong!

 

yeah, kind of like when you read a text and then introduce a word and concept in your exposition of it, that the text never used, huh? Would that be an exmple of a presupposition?

 

In the same article (2012) the Hong Kong Chinese warned the writer about being alone in a mainland city :

" What lingers, even decades later, is a deep mistrust of the Mainland and its current regime, which filters down to mistrust of people in China. There are people in Hong Kong who are amazed that I will take a taxi in Shenzhen by myself, lest something untoward happen to me."

So since both Hong Kong & mainland China are of common roots (Han Chinese), and the 2 cultures are so different, the only factor separating them would be British Christianity!

Btw, with this post

what % of Hong Kong is Christian? And how do those Christians feel about Christian persecution in mainland China?

 

In some ways that is true. Traffic is fast and aggressive, but very orderly, unlike any other Chinese city. Or Ital;ian. Darn those disorderly catholics!

Christmas in Hong Kong? Like with captialism, we outdo the West on that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRYHog_DS0Q

Chinese culture is very strong, which includes being able to adopt
ideas from others without being overwhelmed by it.

(like the way you guys were overwhelmed by Jewish sky-god culture and havent gotten over it yet!)

HK was not "given back". The territory was taken by force of arms for good Queen Victoria and the drug dealers. It was settled as a "lease" which expired. Nothing has really changed in HK, tho the queen no longer graces the coins, and the Gurkha troops are no longer to be seen.

I grew up with bagpipes..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r3m9AzfiYA Love it!

Watch the guy in the white uniform!

I hope you will some time get over this idea that the only civil people are the ones influenced by "god' and the west. Get out more, maybe?
Read more? Travel?

I wish you well on that, your attitude at this point does need a bit of adjusting.

Try this? http://newyorker.tumblr.com/post/46023752632/cartoon-by-jason-patterson-for-more-from-this

 

I catch up reading your links, but here is another example of Christianity in your part of the world and 'civil' prosperity" when compared to their counter part up north:


S.Korea formerly part of Manchuria and China, has the world's biggest single Christian church:

Yoido Full Gospel Church (Wiki)

Yoido Full Gospel Church is a Pentecostal church affiliated with the Assemblies of God on Yeouido (Yoi Island) in Seoul, South Korea. With about 1,000,000 members (2007), it is the largest Pentecostal Christian congregation in South Korea and the world. Founded 1958.

Beginning in the 1980s, Full Gospel Central Church decided to establish satellite churches throughout the city of Seoul and further afield, as it would not be able to keep on expanding indefinitely. Despite the expansion of the auditorium to seat 12,000 in 1983, seven Sunday services were insufficient to accommodate the entire membership. As exponential growth continued, reaching 700,000 by 1992, the need for satellite churches became more pressing. Despite the drain of members to the satellite churches, however, new recruits by the mother church – brought in through the vast cell network – have made up for the losses, and membership stood at 780,000 in 2003.

 

Yep, Koreans,source of the "Moonies".

You seem to have some trouble with cause and effect.

 

Moonies arent Christian..

How about this 'Asian' country:


Modern Japan with no spiritual basis has become increasingly materialistic, secular and an 'idol'-worshiping country.

Symptoms of their 'dead spirituality" are shown in the youth as per this article:


Lack of babies could mean the extinction of the Japanese people

"It announced last week for the first time ever sales of its adult diapers were larger than those for babies.

But Japan's elderly may have increased economic power now but they know without more children the country is doomed.

A study was released earlier this year in which it showed Japan's young people are shunning the idea of marriage and having children.

The National Institute of Population and Social Security Research study also showed one in four unmarried men and women in their 30s had never had sex, and most young women preferred being single.

It also showed over 60 percent of unmarried young men didn't have a girlfriend, and nearly 50 percent of women of the same age weren't dating.

If that wasn't bad enough, young Japanese people are also, it seems, increasingly not interested in sex. Another argument is that there are more effeminate men now called "Herbivores" there who are either not interested in sex or women don't find masculine enough.

A survey by the Japan Family Planning Association found that 36 percent of males between 16 and 19 had "no interest" in sex."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/11/lack-babies-could-mean-extinction-japanese-people/#ixzz2ECPWmjSe

The signs of a 'sick' culture-- a 'dying' culture......well b4 the recent tsunami & earthquake.

 

are you also a conspiracy theorist? You sure is into correlation concocting.

Oh as for who is or is aint a xian, the old No True Scotsman deal doth grow wearisome, dont you think so?

did you watch those videos? i will get mad and stamp me feet if you didnt.

 

One thing I got out of these forums. Truth is in the eye of the beholder.
So yes, if they believe martyrdom = truth. Then for them it is true. IMO, it is the ultimate truth. They give up their life for what the believe.
For life is based on faith, especially if one talks of any kind of life after existence on this earth.

 

I did watch the 1st couple of minutes..they were 'entertaining'..will catch the all later (gotta get moving on that irrigation system expansion again 2day). Did catch your cartoon..that's my version of 'taking someone to the woodshed,' as in an attitude adjustment..only have to do once or twice to create a 'permanent' adjustment.....this generation of American youth,as "A-male' posted, arent familiar with the woodshed and have never been taken there, and so are undisciplined,)

But let me leave you with this comment:


You said that you havnt been to the SF Bay area, and so let me assure you that when going to Berkeley, you wont be 'bothered' by any Christians! Or US military recruiters, as neither are 'allowed' there by the 'PC police! But the liberals there will swear that "They support our troops!"

ADVICE: Just try to stay outside, or if inside, away from any walls, and beef up your life insurance...Hayward Fault acting up (scientists say it is years overdue, and not 'if' but 'when') is right around the corner.

Btw, let me sum it up:

Just some 'countries' either Christian colonized, or defended/conquered by Christian US America that moved on to prospering in the world with civil laws:


Germany
Japan
S. Korea
Taiwan

& Hong Kong


But you can live in denial as all 'snot-nosed' rebellious youth' do....

Hava nice day...OD

 

That's a given - we're talking marriage

 

Of course they do. Every taxpayer does.

 

Careful, taikoo...he hits on all the women, just like Smartmouthwoman until he found out she was a Christian!

You mean those @ Berkeley who are on Govt Student Loans or receiving Unearned Income Credits as part of the 47% who dont pay payroll taxes...oh, didnt think so...


[Why am I wasting time with Du and not working on something 'productive?! Back to the irrigation system..will catch taikoo's response later...]

 

It's true - monotheism is a big turnoff for me.

 

Leading us in Christian love toward a more civil America.
Thanks, OD.

 

Not sure what you are referring to, but assuming I failed in the pursuit of an agendaless comment, how does that prove your statement that "everything" starts with a presupposition? Pretty big stretch.

 

so truth is subjective?

 

I believe everyone starts with a presupposition, but the object is to rethink that presupposition. Once you rethink that, then you pursue the absolute truth to the best of your ability. Do you do that? I believe truth is in everything, but everything is not true. I believe every person on this forum at one time or another exhibits truth, whether I agree with them or not. I try to find the truth in everybody. I believe truth can be found in what people believe, say, and do, but not all of what they say, do, or believe is truth, thats the reason for the diversity of mankind, IMO. As always I could be wrong.

 

Entertaining speech, but doesn't address your comment that "everything" starts with a presupposition.

I did get a kick out of you saying that in spite of someone saying something true, you still might disagree with them. Not THAT'S interesting.

 

I didn't say I disagree with their TRUTH, but that I just disagreed with THEM. There is a difference. Truth is in everyone, but not everyone is in Truth.
The "rethinking" part adressed the fact that everyone and everything usually starts with a presupposition. You must recognize that presupposition and rethink it. Have you done that?

 

I have seen no evidence that the statement you are making is true. Just an unsupported presupposition.

 

Aren't you agnostic?

 

How is that relevant?

 

You did see the 'winking smiley! You read all of our 'friendly' conversations today, right?!

Bruce how far you have fallen in your quest to stalk and get retribution by crapping on my threads....tsk tsk

Guess they didnt teach you "Forgiveness 101" at the seminary you went to!

At what lengths are you ready to go to to quench your anger from your hurt?

Well;;, I'm done enabling your poor behavior...again, very disappointing....why dont you PM Inc. when elijah gets tired of your tit-for-tatting?!