Christians: Why doesn't god owe us evidence of his existence?

Christians seem to act like it's inconveniencing and insulting god to ask for evidence of his existence, like we're d bags for actually wanting some reason to believe besides "cuz it's true." If I told you some other god was the true god, would you want evidence, or would you just believe? Of course, you'd ask for evidence. But why should the TRUE god, which is not the Christian god give you evidence? Why don't you just believe? Why should people simply have faith in YOUR idea of god but you shouldn't have faith in THEIR idea of god?

 

Have you read the "case for faith", "case for a creator", and the "case for christ" by Lee Stroebel?

 

Our Christian God is always giving evidence, but are you willing to accept it, or will you deny it and ask for even more proof. Here's two videos of the Holy Fire in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. (There are a lot more if you google Youtube Holy Fire and the year). God gives it to Christians as an affirmation of Christ's Resurrection and the light He gave to the world.

Every Easter for the past two thousand years, the Patriarch prays in the chamber until the flame appears. It is then given out to the people and sent to Moscow, Athens, Belgrade, etc. There are atheists who say it is trickery, and yet they discard the fact that the flame doesn't burn when touched during the first twenty minutes. They also discard the eye witness' who have seen candles light miraculously at the same time it appears in the chamber.

No one can make people believe what they don't want to see and believe, so don't blame God. He gives abundant proof of His existance.

http://rt.com/news/holy-fire-orthodox-miracle-826/

http://rt.com/news/holy-fire-ignites-jerusalem-077/

 

lol this doesn't even address the question. The question was not "is there evidence," the question is "why shouldn't we demand evidence? Wouldn't you demand evidence for truth of another religion?"

 

You need tell us what God means according to you.

I told you that Truth is my lord and the almighty is the Reality that I must either bow down to or accept that suffering and troubles are coming my way.
That seems to be the Truth for everyone, including you, who might define a different god you follow who allows lies and deceptions in His realms.

 

That's not evidence. It's a story. I've never seen this. Why should I believe this? Why do you? Have you witnessed it? The Catholics call it a hoax.

 

The OP wasn't talking about party tricks or smoke and mirrors sport. We're talking about a supreme being here. From my point of view, your Christian God has rendered a pretty pathetic level of service over the last 2000 years and it has been steadily declining, culminating in the treacherous 20th century when many of his adherents went on a worldwide murder spree killing 100s of millions in concocted world wars and such.

I personally, would like to see a real all powerful being in action who would take charge, remove the greedy scumbags who have been in power for centuries and get some world leaders with some wisdom and compassion installed immediately. This crap about a mysterious being who will get around to this at some undisclosed time is wearing thin on all of us. See what you can do.

Cheers

 

Analogy: How is a cell from you able to know something about your existance? But whatelse makes sense for a cell of your body then to believe in your spirit? What's a real alternative? Cancer?

You can have as many ideas about god as you like to have - but if you think and say nonsense about god then you will hear this from his children. We will hopefully speak loud enough, so everyone who likes to listen is able to hear our message. We don't accept it for example if someone says "It's the will of god to put a bomb behind a woman and her two children while they are waiting for their father and huspand". Such forms to think about god and his will are a pure illusion and is nothing else than pure atheism. Everyone has to give an answer to our father one day. It should be a good answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGj_3rCJakE

 

I've mentioned before that the miracle at Fatima proves God exists. But apparently, atheists think its all some kind of "mass hynopsis." Haven't seen the explanation for how that works. Who can hynotize 70,000 people at the same time? And if someone can do that, why has he never done it again?

 

Why did no one else in other cities in the world notice the sun changing?

 

That's a very good question. I don't have an answer. My guess is that because the sun did not really move from its place in the sky. The sun APPEARED to move in the sky. People saw what God what they wanted them to see. That's why everyone saw something different, and some people saw nothing at all.

 

So you agree that there is no consistency whatsoever to the story and that it offers no objective or empirical evidence at all?

 

LOL
If you were better educated in History you would have seen "him" do this when the 1000 year kingdom of Universal Christianity arrived as he had specifically predicted it would.



Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones (of Universal Christian authority) and they, (the 144,000 monks of Catholic monasticism: [Rev14:4]), sat upon them, (i.e.; Christianity, as mandated by Emperor Theo I, was the ONLY legal religion in the Empire, after 380AD), and (theocratic) judgment was given unto them (in the days of Catholic Monasticism): and I saw the souls, (the spirit-like psyches or thinking) of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the (one) word of God, (Truth), and which had not worshipped (by participation in the paganistic practices and sexual excesses fueling) the beast (that was Roman Culture, including the economic system which had been based upon selfish self-interest), neither his image (on his coinage), neither had received his mark (of ledgered accounts recorded) upon their foreheads, or in (wages in) their hands (those monks living in moneyless monastic environments);

and they, (the saints/apostles), lived (as angels in the minds of the Christians who have followed since the appearance of the Gospels in 54AD, i.e., those beheaded saints, in the memories of the congregations who worshipped in churches built upon the bones of their remains)...
.... and (they) reigned (in Monasticism) with Christ a thousand years, (from 54 AD upon the appearance of the Holy Comforter, until 1054 AD with the first Schism of Greek Orthodoxy).



AND,... he ALSO said that the beast would return, the anti-Christianity of the previous sexually promiscuous cultures in Rome, and Greece before it, and all the way back through the seven major empires.



Rev. 20:3 And cast him, (this dragon, the subtle cultural system of exploitative sexual mores, that old serpent, cultural Paganism), into the bottomless pit (of time), and shut him, (Satan), up (1000 years so as to inhibit the culture of libidinal freedom and sexual excess), and set a seal, (THE CROSS), upon him, that he (could not maintain that pagan, astrological/mythological promiscuous religious subculture that) should deceive the nations (in the Western world) no more (with his pagan culture), ...

... till the thousand years (of the Dark Age of Monasticism) should be fulfilled (and the Renaissance of the Beast begin):

and after that, (in The Renaissance), he must be loosed (to open the adolescent subculture of ever increasing sexual permissiveness) a little season (since the end of the singular one Church over all Rome).

 

The stories are inconsistent, but 70,000 people saw SOMETHING, including some atheists and non-believers, who wrote of their experiences in Portugese newspapers.

 

Wow, you all completely fail at reading comprehension. Where in my OP did I ask for evidence of your god?

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Derp?

Thanks for contributing absolutely nothing of value to this thread. Jesus Christ, I don't even know why people bother responding if they don't have anything mildly relevant or coherent to say.

 

My pleasure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wifuOMcQF0

 

Excellent, you have evidence of "SOMETHING". Jolly good.

 

you woke up this am; be happy

all the other wants, are in your head.

 

Actually, I go to sleep in the am and wake up in the pm, although, I have no idea what that has to do with my thread. This forum is freaking pathetic. I'm about to go find another forum that offers a mild challenge, or at least, posters who make relevant replies.

 

you ae\sek asched a quetion

y9u got an anwser

what was mixed up about fact?

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that noob sitar is a waste

 

Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Obama come to mind.

 

Y9u did not anwser the precise quetion he ae\sek asched.

 

The unenlightened will always demand what they feel entitled to, won't they? We see it all the time in economics. Apparently it happens in spirituality as well. Talking about what we are "owed."

Silly.

 

If God ceased to will our existence, which he could do at any moment, everything we know would cease to exist. All we are is a figment of God's imagination, a thought in his mind, an idea. Atheists have it all backwards. God is the only thing that is really real, everything else, including us, is mere vapors.

 

wow. your old man really did a number on you, didn't he. vapour. huh.