How Do Background Checks Prevent Normal Citizens From Getting Guns?

One of the strangest arguments I have heard from people opposed from gun reform is the idea that just merely looking to see if someone is a criminal somehow prevents normal citizens from obtaining firearms. The National Instant Criminal Background Check only takes a few moments, and doesn't require you to jump in additional hoops. The second idea that I continue to hear is that then felons will just buy all of their weapons from the black market. Here is my response.

One, believe it or not, 100% of all felons were once legal citizens.

Joking aside, the second issue with this statement is that this illegal gun market people like to go on about, as of right now, isn't really illegal. Since you are not required to use a background check system when you are an unlicensed dealer, selling a gun on the internet, or a gun show, and the like is totally legal. So no one could charge them with anything anyhow.

So, since I see no downside enforcing a background check for sales between non-registered dealers.

As a result, I have created a petition for this very subject, trying to convince Republican Representives in PA to vote in favor of this.

Here is the Link: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/945/835/700/demand-the-coming-of-the-next-generation-of-gun-reform/

And, for those of you who have the time, here is the bill itself. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s649/text

I will gladly take any input as to the writing of said petition to improve the quality of it.

 

Do you have the foggiest idea what was in the back grounds check bill?? Kind of like Obama care isn't it??? Vote for it before you read it, we KNOW you will like it, right?? Ya, RIGHT!!! Put the whole bill out here where WE can read it to see if it's something we will back or toss, don't hide the dang thing behind closed doors. So where is the money suppose to come from to enact your legislation??? Considering most all state governments are broke this would be a further handicap on the citizens to pony up money that isn't there. So at this time you can take your next generation of gun reform and stick it where the sun doesn't shine because we can't afford it.

 

And how would this be enforced?

 

They don't stop law-abiding citizens, but they do inconvenience us. They don't stop criminals from getting guns. That is why we are against it. There is a cost (inconvenience) to us, without any appreciable return.

Also, crime in the U.S. is lower than it's been since the 1960s. Why keep adding bureacracy and complication to something that is solving itself.

 

I see we just love to beat that dead horse.
We gun buyers already have a back ground check done at point of purchase.
Its a total scam law to try to enter us into a registration.

 

How will you enforce background checks of transfers between non registered dealers?

 

There is no way to enforce private transactions without a central database and gun registration. NOT!

 

Normal citizens would be unaffected as they don't buy guns.

 

normal citizens do by guns the scared uniformed liberals don't

 

O.K., Col, please tell us what was in the background checks that isn't in them now? Come on, you put your 2 cents worth in now back it up.

And your byline???

""Hello! I'm from Europe, the place where history comes from.""

Don't you mean the place for the past 96 years the U.S. has had to go to keep pulling British and French butts out of the cracks they keep putting them in??? How long did it take the Germans to breech the Maginot Line. And how long after before their drive ended at Dunkirk?? This is the Europe your talking about??

"Between becoming operational in Normandy on August 1, 1944 and the end of hostilities on May 9, 1945, the Third Army was in continuous combat for 281 days. In that time, it crossed 24 major rivers and captured 81,500 square miles (211,000 km2) of territory, including more than 12,000 cities and towns. The Third Army claimed to have killed, wounded, or captured 1,811,388 German soldiers, six times its strength in personnel.[164]. Fuller's review of Third Army records differs only in the number of enemy killed and wounded, stating that between August 1, 1944 and May 9, 1945, 47,500 of the enemy were killed, 115,700 wounded, and 1,280,688 captured, for a total of 1,443,888.""

This Europe??? Care for me to go on???

 

Only one third of American households own a gun, Since two thirds do not, it follows that the norm is not to have one.

 

Since a large number of illegal guns are through "straw purchases" it might at least slow the flow to the illegal market down

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Since a large number of illegal guns are through "straw purchases" it might at least slow the flow to the illegal market down

 

And your saying that 1/3 of American households own the over 200,000,000 guns in this country??? O.K., I just want to get my share!!

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Once more, show us what was in the bill and ALL the riders attached to it and maybe we will change our minds. Until this is done, forget it.

 

Yes, they do. 20% of gun owners own 60% of the guns. Americans are 5% of the population, but own half the guns in the world. What are you so afraid of?

 

Your point? And I dont know where you got that, some liberal leftist "poll" I am sure, but 100% of people I know own a gun or have owned.
And I have lived in the same town for 43 years, thats alot of people.

 

How? There is no way to prove that someone sold a gun without a background check. I don't see how straw purchases will be stopped at all. Straw purchases are already illegal. Do you think the girlfriend of a felon is going to not buy a gun for her boyfriend, just because its illegal? The thing is, without registration, there is still no way to track straw purchases, and it's still going to be next to impossible to prosecute them.

 

I'm calling your bluff on this one.... You have to prove what you say to me.
I'm saying that there is an estimated 310 million guns in the US and only 311 million people... That doesn't add up pal....
Even the Gallup poll says that around 47% of Americans own a gun, and since all of this bull crap started, gun sales have skyrocketed and more people than ever have went out and bought a gun...
Now, I personally don't like surveys that depict what the entire nation owns, because I feel there are ways to ask the question that make it easier for people to deny owning a gun.... Then there are those like me that will simply NEVER take a survey that do have guns.... So I feel there is a big margin of error in surveys on these type of topics. Either way, I feel the 1/3 comment is extremely low for overall owners in our country.



Sources:
Gun numbers - http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx
Population- http://www.census.gov/popclock/

 

I'd have to say those people are not afraid of anything.... If 20% of 311 million people (62.2 million people) own 60% of 310 million guns (186 million guns).... or (about 3 guns per person) They sound pretty secure to me... No need to be afraid of crap.

Personally, I can't see why its a problem if I own 25 guns... Ever think that guns are used for things other than personal protection?

 

More than one gun owner may live in the same gun-owning household, giving my lesser, but still accurate number. 1.66666666666% of the world's homes hold half the guns in the world. they can be used to kill, but that's a lot of fear however you measure it.

 

Not sure what study you have ever been involved with, but generally a study would include that as part of the way the question would be asked. I know that the study I posted asked the question so that it narrowed the gun ownership down to the household and doesn't tie it to any particular member of the household....

As for being afraid.... Again, I say I don't think they are afraid of anything.

 

Straw purchases were are are not a problem. Just ask our attorney general. They were used to arm mexican cartels at our governments behest.
Straw purchases are a small issue used to bolster an arguement that does not exist.

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Being that you are from europe, I almost care what you think. But I dont.

 

Abject surrender accepted.

 

Which is different than the surrender yall were about to make.

 

We own over 1/2 the guns in the world?? Are you trying to tell me that we have have at lest 70% more weapons than China??? Let's see, they have a 200,000,000 man reserve for their armed forces but they only have around 60,000,00 small arms??? Funny, how many SKS's, MAC-90's, and AK-47's have they shipped here??

 

I think he is referring to civilian ownership

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states