What's wrong with making it mandatory to buy Health Insurance ?

If you choose to buy a car you gotta own car insurance. And 99% of Americans will use the ER or see a doctor at one point or another in their lives. Because this is so, why not make it mandatory that you buy health insurance from a private insurance company ?

You'd think right wingers would like a law which prevents free loading. I like Obamacare - I think it's the fair thing to do. If you can afford health insurance and refuse to buy, then you are scamming the game when you go to the ED and force the rest of us to pay for your sorry behind.

 

Big Fed elites compelling an individual to purchase a private sector product simply because they are alive and over the age of 26 opens the door for them to compel anything.....and do not doubt they won't continue exploiting precedent, and pushing the envelope of their increasingly assumed, "interpreted" authority.

You are not compelled to purchase automobile insurance (which is designed to make OTHERS whole in the event of a crash) because you cannot be compelled to assume the risk of driving on public roadways.

 

I agree with the OP but can't you make your point in more than 2 sentinces? Must everything be a Tweet these days?

 

Car insurance is to protect others, it barely covers the driver and doesn't cover the car unless you demand it. Protecting peoe for others is a legitimate concern. Protecting people from themselves is not.

Also some people can't afford it, or want just disaster insurance with high deductibles and cash pay per doctor visit. Both will have to pay a fine because someone want to tell them what to do. That is not liberty or freedom. Freedom sounds more like "you are an adult, you get to make your own decisions now" see? Doesn't sound like Obama and the democrats at all.

 

The government doesn't make you buy a car ... and doesn't fine you if you don't buy a car and insurance.
When they go to the ER we pay for their care ... When we pay for their insurance ... We pay for their care when they get sick, and their insurance when they are not.

 

Do you think it's right to tell people that Obama Care will cost you $2,100.00 a year less and find out it's costing you a lot more than what you were paying?

 

RACISM. Don't think I won't find you.

 

Except you don't have to drive a car. You're not required by law to drive one.

 

yeah, and Obamacare is to protect tax payers from having to pick up the tab from cheap and exploitative abusers of our medical system

 

And if I decide to walk to work, you RACISTS WILL TRY TO TAX ME to live.

 

Why doesn't communism work?

At least in terms of providing the citizenry freedom, goods and services, opportunity, prosperity, their own version of happiness, personal wealth, property, etc... in those terms, communism is an abject failure.

In terms of providing power to an select oligarchical few?? It is a wonderful system.

Collectivism always spreads misery, poverty, and death everywhere it is embraced - for very logical and obvious reasons. Yet our nations educational and monied elite spread its poisonous lies through our government schools and into the "little skulls of mush" - that would be you, Channe.

Tell me Channe, what's wrong with "democracy"?? What were you taught about it, and governmental systems in the government school you attended??

Of this I can tell you with certainty - anyone who can't see the disaster that is Obamacare, socialism, collectivism, et al, has been completely robbed of a proper education; is ignorant, and is easily misled and manipulated by demagogues like Barack Obama, Adolf Hitler, Vlad Lenin, Uncle Joe Stalin, Rosseau, Nietzsche, Marx, et al.

Crack a book would ya?

 

Why is it that every other civilized country has healthcare for its citizens? Could it be that they're on to something? Our health care costs were spiraling out of control and the right wing thought nothing about until Obama instituted it. Now, of course, with the "do anything and everything to obstruct" Obama jerkoffs, they wanna whine about it simply for the sake of whining. Why didn't the right fix it when they had the chance, all those years under Bush? Hint: Probably because they didn't even see it as a problem.

 

Let me guess, the book you'll be recommending is either by Hayek or Mises, or maybe Ayn Rand.

 

Given that the primary reason for the high cost of Medicine in this country is Government and lawyers, and Obama care did nothing to help with the latter and added more of the former I don't think it's going to help much.

Should the government be able to compel us to buy a car so Government Motors won't go bankrupt? And buy the way most of the people rushing to the emergency rooms are already on medicaid. It's easier to do that than it is to get to find a doctor and remember through a drug induced haze what his name is and where his office is.

 

No, the high cost is associated with high profit margins, golden parachutes, and the like, and if we DIDN'T have lawyers, there would be profit galore due to no fear of repercussions for doing the wrong thing, and the actual "care" that cost all that cash would diminish into "take two 500 dollar aspirin and call me in the morning".

Maybe the people should all form one big "corporation" and be excused from liability of anything related to their own responsibilities whatsoever, thus being able to simply take the profit, and pass on the messy details to the state?, and then BLAME THEM (the state) for any wrong doing.

 

The thing is, in reading the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence, I cannot seem to find the clause in which we as Americans are required to buy anything. This taxation is unconstitutional as about 99% of all other taxes we are forced illegally to pay. This bill not only was written by Republicans, but is also promoted as something righteous by the left. The current presentation of this policy completely covers up the origins of the bill (just as how the Patriot Act's parent document was written by Joe Biden and the NDAA was written by Obama and his lawyers) which is the Big Pharmaceutical Companies and the Health Insurance Companies. THEY WROTE THE BILL! It actually raises your premiums along with the many, many extra taxes it adds (also many more nefarious motives that aren't named here). It's not about "What's wrong with it?" it's about how the gov't is slowing screwing you and I over and over in the name of international social conformity and "progress".

 

Well, what's it really matter anyway huh? Government screwing us, fat cat corporatists screwing us. Either way, we're all screwed.

 

that's the thing, we're screwed as long as we don't do speak up.

 

Gary is right... the vast majority of cost is generated by government over-regulation, liability aversion, lack of a free market, exhorbitant educational costs b/c higher education is steeped with leftist ideologues who have a siphoning hose hooked up to public treasury - the governments fingerprints are all over the mess.

A doctor can't engage in fee for service, or he is shut out of Medicare and attacked by the IRS.

Doctors who have to tried to offer low cost, rudementary services find themselves attacked by the FedGov with audits and investigations that effectively shut the operation down, and low income citizens are forced to the emergency rooms where we all know what happens. Beyond that, a consumer can't buy insurance across state lines; doctors perform all manner of unnecessary tests in the name of CYA; ambulance chasing lawyers file frivolous lawsuits at the drop of a hat; on and on...

The most affordable healthcare that I'm aware of in the U.S., is the black market used by illegals. I was inbetween jobs a few years ago, and got sick... I needed some antibiotics; I called a friend who knows where to go - she got me meds for $30. My wife, prior to coming on to my insurance got sick, same problem... just needed some antibiotics, had to go to a GP - simple office visit and antibiotics was $504.

All of those things drive cost, and Obamacare both addresses none of it, and makes it all worse... "have to pass it, to see what's in it"?? What kind of fool would accept that kind of governance??

 

Maybe the kind of fool that has gotten kicked off a policy for "pre-existing" conditions, or "exhausted benefits", or, the kind of fool that has had to not have their claims paid because the insurance company's default policy is to deny claims in the hopes that some percentage of people will pay it themselves (things like that are good for profit, you know).

 

So that's what you think? Really?

Stupid legislation - that nobody even knows what's in it, is justified b/c some people are having a hard time?

What if on page 18,136 it says that "RtWingaFraud shall be promptly put death as a cost saving measure for wist43"?? What if it said that?? What if it said that everyone who does not comply will be fined $XXXX.00, and failure to comply or pay will result in audits, tax return forfeiture, seizure of property - what if it said that??

Anyone fool enough to accept "give me what's behind door number 2" governance, deserves to suffer the consequences for that level of mindnumbing ignorance and stupidity.

 

Because I'm 25 and have enough money set aside in case I need to visit wn emergency room. Granted, since I broke my arm playing football sophomore year of high school I haven't been back, but that's not important. What is important is that Joe Hobo who doesn't have a job and pays nothing is somehow entitled to the same healthcare I saved up for.

Now instead of me saving my own money aside and using it when I need it (if at all) I can just donate it to s giant penny jar so everyone can share in on my savings.

 

The Thirteenth Amendment:
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Because it's better if people are treated like adults instead of Obama-whining children.

You treat people like adults by harassing them with a collection agency if they're too stupid to pay their bills on time. The Mayor was unemployed for a while once and had no insurance. He broke a bone. He paid HIS bills. He got harassed by collection agencies. It's what happens when unemployed. It's no big deal, unless someone is so stupid they can't earn more than minimum wage even when they have a job. Why shouldn't people who are supposedly mature enough to vote for King Obama, their Messiah, be treated like adults, and be expected to pay their own *******ned bills, like adults are supposed to?

No, only people ignorant enough to vote for Obama would feel that a law intended to maximize free loading would reduce freeloading. After all, King Obama is a socialist.

What the Americans know would eliminate free loading is a once simple trick you can try at home. It's called: get the government out of the health care industry. Since the Constitution does not allow the government to play doctor or insurance agent, it really is the most elegant solution.

Yeah, that's something Low Information Voters don't do well.

If you can't afford to buy your own insurance, you should blame the government for so (*)(*)(*)(*)ing up the economy that you can't afford it. The last thing you should be doing is whining that someone else is better than you.

The best way to stop freeloaders from not paying their fair share...is to define everyone's "share" of government (taxpayer) dollars to be ZERO.

 

It's effectively a tax. All taxes are really mandates - all economic policy is really social policy in a way.

The problem is that people generally don't like being told what to do - and health insurance isn't for everyone. There are plenty for whom the cost of insurance isn't worth the small risk - especially if they don't smoke or drink, are aged 20-30, don't drive much, etc.

Also, insurance is basically gambling. You're gambling that you get sick. Like at the casino, the odds are in the house's favor - that's how they turn a profit. Why should we force people into this? So the government can pat itself on the back at a statistic being slightly lowered? I'd have thought liberty a higher priority.

ie: it's their property and they want to decide what happens with it.

 

Sigh.

Lead the burro to the Water of Truth, and watch him (*)(*)(*)(*) in it because Obama told him it was poison.