Whistleblower says Obama received financial aid as foreign student

nope, your wrong and your tears do not count as discussion.

 

what do you think I'm wrong about? and what tears? lol

it's not my fault you can't support your claims.

 

And we are still waiting for the proof. Anyone can claim anything, without proof it is nothing more than hot air. And that is that folks.

 

nope, you're wrong, again

not so much proof, just some real evidence would be a start

 

No, a guy named Barrack Obama...in his speech this week.

stay with us here, OK?

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No, a guy named Barrack Obama...in his speech this week.

stay with us here, OK?

 

I am sorry I just am tired with all the flaming so I thread banned most of you but I will say if it keeps happening I will be banning more than from the threads , a couple of you I am really upset with I never expected you to act like this

 

Proof?

We are seeking proof.

but the man who promised the "most open and accountable administration in the history of the United States" has sealed his records. So all we can do is speculate.

So what is yours...that he is somehow being "open and accountable" by letting this garbage fester? That he is being somehow a greater statesman to allow this festering sore to continue to poison the political fabric of the nation to hold up some kind of honor no one knows about?

as the expert on all that is positive about Barrack Obama, please let us in on why he would want to keep secret such a benign thing as his school records when his integrity is being challenged on all sides, when his very legitimacy is at stake....why, sir, would he not want to make good on his absolute promise of absolute and historic openness and accountability.

I can only conclude that he is hiding something...and based on the five years we've seen him run the country, I can only say we have seen nothing in his "It's Bush's fault" character to suggest there is anything but some kind of gutter slime, pocket lining corruption involved.

If there is another reason why he persists in not letting the world see the "proof" please supply it.

Until then, the onus of proof is on him, the lying piece of garbage who promised the "most open and accountable administration in the history of the country."


I suggest he sealed his records because one, he cheated to get taxpayer money to pay his way and he isn't all that bright. I suggest he doesn't want his records known because he barely made it through college let alone law school.

 

Prove Obama's mother was not in Hawaii the day of Barack's birth. That would be a conclusive and definitive proof, so why has NO Birther tried to do so? Instead, they come up with silly analyses of legal documents (Birth Certificates) without even doing proper research into how the State of Hawaii actually handles Birth Certificates then and now.

So here's my challenge to any of the Birthers on this thread. Without insult and without blowing off this challenge and without rehashing Birther claims, simply tell me how the State of Hawaii issued Birth Certificates at the time of Barack's birth, how that system has changed (the COLB system) and whether they kept actual paper copies of the old system Birth Certificates. I bet none of you Birthers will be able to do so, and if you can't get such basic facts right why should I give any credence to your claims?

 

I've got a better idea... how about we actually stay on topic?! The topic of the OP describes a "whistleblower" who told attorney Orly Taitz that there is verifiable proof that Barack Obama claimed foreign citizenship on legal documents related to his education! If it is true, then as a bald-faced liar, he must be reviewed against the criterion of "high crimes and misdemeanors", doesn't he...? Or does he get a "pass" because he's hyperliberal, half-Black, and has a winning smile...?

For the last time: if Orly Taitz has concrete evidence that Obama deliberately claimed foreign citizenship, let her bring it forward without obstruction, interference, or preemption! If she hasn't got anything, then she will look foolish and have no one but herself to blame for it. But to cut her off callously, without the ability to speak or present her evidence and her case is just flat-out un-American, totalitarian, and EVIL. I close by reminding you that when any autocratic, hateful government and its fawning adherents cram a boot heel in the face of a citizen for speaking out and raising issues, it follows the model of Nazi Germany exactly, nicht war...?

 

True but the liberals have been doing it much longer. I believe it started with FDR and the "new deal."

 

And I believe -sarcasm- that conservatives have been doing it since Calvin Coolidge and the promotion of a laissez-faire government. What is your point? I added the sarcasm part because I really don't give a crap on who has been doing this longer. This isn't some sort of competition to see how you can make your opposing side more villainous and evil, this is why America is so frickin divided as a nation because American conservatives and American liberals refuse to work together to make their nation better and would rather make themselves an embarrassment to the world.

 

Since the OP was yet another dubious claim by perhaps THE high-profile Birther, I think my comments were definitely on topic. Taitz is one of these people who are the unfortunate price we pay for freedom of speech; but just because Taitz speaks doesn't mean I have to listen. I paid a lot more attention the first couple of times, until the general facts came out and the nonsense became obvious.

President Obama is a fairly Leftist Democrat and since he has been President for 5 years he has now accumulated a record of contradictory statements, backtracking and changes in opinion. On the Birther front, he has nothing to apologize for. By the way, PollyCy, nice to see you couldn't meet my challenge as laid out in my previous post on this thread. This makes me think your position is, frankly, dead wrong.

P.S. - Casper, I received your message. I only wonder if you could have answered.

 

That post (#125), read:
"Why would anybody feel that Orly Taitz still has a shred of credibility? Look at the track record!"

I did not say that Orly Taitz had "a shred of credibility", now did I...? As for her track record, and that of Philip Berg, along with others who have tried to probe into the contradictory murk of Obama's "official story", surely the "track record" is as bad as the solid wall of obstruction, preemption, and dismissive, hateful rejection by the courts has been all along!

None of this, however, supports a word that Orly Taitz has said, so, like I've said about five times now -- let's see what she's actually GOT. Give her a clear, open, unobstructed, unprejudiced venue to make her case upon! And if she fails, then heap more scorn and hatred on her (I'm sure that Obama's Praetorian Guard has plenty of both to spare). But, if she's right, then Obama needs to explain why he, supposedly with an understanding of exactly what he was testifying to at the time, made a formal claim that he was a citizen of a foreign nation! Is that being unreasonable...?

 

That's a mendacious dodge, PollyCy. Let me repeat the challenge, so that you have no room to dodge. Tell me what the State of Hawaii's procedure was for issuing Birth Certificates at the time of BHO's birth, how and when they changed to the COLB (Certificate of Live Birth) electronic data system, and whether they kept actual paper copies of the older style birth certificates. If you can do that, then you can have an informed opinion on the Birther position.

 

And let me repeat to you, so that you have no room to change topics (again)... the OP, which we can both read again and again, has the following highlights:

"SANTA ANA, Calif. – While Attorney Orly Taitz was participating in a rally in front of the U.S. Capitol on June 19, a whistleblower from Higher Education Services Corporation (HESC) in Albany, N.Y. approached her to say she personally reviewed the microfilm of President Barack Obama’s financial aid and it reveals he received financial aid as a foreign student and a citizen of Indonesia." and "According to Taitz, the whistleblower came forward because she is concerned about fraud being committed and Obama, being a citizen of Indonesia, was never eligible to be president of the United States."

Not ONCE in the OP do you see a word written about Obama's birthplace... do you...? Obama's birthplace is not what is what is under discussion in this thread... is it...? What is under discussion is Orly Taitz's claim that she is being given evidence that proves Barack Obama claimed status as a citizen of a foreign country... right...?! OK, so then let's stay on topic, and if you want to go off on some big crusade about Obama's birthplace, and start throwing **** at everybody who isn't a "true believer" in everything this man has said, as you seem to be, then go open a different thread somewhere else and have a ball! I have my own opinion about where Barack Obama was born, but that hasn't got anything to do with this thread; I'm only interested in whether there is now proof that he was a fraud and a bald-faced liar. It would also be interesting to know exactly which country he did claim to be a citizen of....

 

Since every issue Orly Taitz brings up with respect to President Obama is in regards to the Birther conspiracy theory, how on earth is my challenge not on topic? The fact that you cannot answer my challenge means that at some level you know you are blowing smoke, PollyCy. If someone kept insisting the world was flat and every time that person introduced a piece of "evidence" for that theory, would it be wrong of me to ask if one of their supporters knew the basics of science that proves the world is round?

 

Well, if you can't read the topic and know what the topic of this thread is, what hope do I have of telling you what the topic is and having you understand that. I've done everything but copy-and-paste the entire OP to illustrate the point so that even the dullest among us would "get" it, but I won't stoop to that level.

You seem to want to "get your jollies" by dragging up the "birther" issue when NONE EXISTS in this thread, and you claim that because Orly Taitz has fought hard and often in the inquiry concerning Obama's real citizenship, that, somehow, we just must funnel the entire discussion into "birther" controversies even though (again) NONE EXISTS in the OP!

Why shouldn't I just as easily try to hi-jack the thread so that we must discuss Taitz v Astrue, or some of Ms. Taitz' other endeavors, like the Libocrat-inspired stories about how she conspires with Israelis against Obama? I could do that, and you could, too -- which is why I suggested to you that you open your own thread about "birthers" if you want to and then spew all the vitriol, curses, and bile you like, without being told you're "off-topic"!

I'm a simple man, with a simple interest in this thread. Does Taitz have access to evidence that Obama deliberately claimed to be a citizen of a foreign nation or not? If she has it, I want to see it... and if she doesn't, all she's done is run her own ass up the flagpole for all the Obama lovers to jeer and foam at the mouth over... right? As a liberal Leftist, where is the downside in any of that for you...?

Unless, of course, she's really got something.... In which case the Obamanite Praetorian Guard will have to go to battle stations once again, at DEFCON 3, in order to defend the verisimilitude roflol and "transparency" of the least transparent president in our history. As I said, I can't help but admire your energy, devotion and your loyalty, but don't you guys ever get tired of having to rush to the defense of this strangely opaque, but supposedly "transparent" president of yours every few months...?

 

Is PollyCy really trying to say that Orly Taitz is not a leading Birther, or that her purported evidence that Obama deliberately claimed to be the citizen of a foreign nation would not dovetail with that agenda? Self-delusion is always the ugliest spectacle of them all, PC.

P.S. - Congratulations on still not answering the challenge. Why don't you start a new thread specifically on that topic if the thought of duking it out in this thread bothers you so much?

 

I didn't respond to your "challenge" because there wasn't one that is a part of this thread, as I've said about eight times now. I don't know (and YOU don't know) all the various things Orly Taitz is thinking, doing, or trying to achieve... and, I don't care except insofar as the issue of whether or not Obama lied on a legal document about what country he is a citizen of of.

I don't need to start a new thread to do that, skeptic, but if you want to launch off on some big kick-the-"birthers"-in-the-teeth tirade, you'll probably need to start a new thread, as I suggested. But, if you and your colleagues continue to try to do that in this thread, you're probably going to be facing more moderator deletions. Nobody here is under any delusions... it is clear you hate the guts of anybody who doesn't buy Obama's birthplace "story", hook, line, and sinker, but that's NOT what this thread is about. I don't know how many times this has to be said before it finally sinks into your soft-tissue, but there it is.

Next, let's find out if there is proof that Obama lied about what country he supposedly said he's a citizen of, or not, OK? THAT is what we're trying to find out here. And if Orly Taitz gets this wrong, I'll probably criticize her even more harshly than you of Obama's Praetorian Guard will... no foolin'!