How is prejudice against Blacks different from prejudice against guns?

Rights
The Declaration of Independence declares that "the laws of Nature and Nature's God" are the source of man's rights. The natural rights listed and protected by the Bill of Rights existed before government, and in no way depend on government for their existence. The U.S. Supreme Court has declared this fact. These are known as absolute rights. Absolute rights belong to us due to the nature of our existence, are "unalienable" and "self-evident." http://www.foundingfathers.com/naturalrights.htm

 

Interesting. It doesn't seem that long ago that you were fighting for 2A rights, and now you're saying the whole Constitution (that you once swore to defend) is irrelevant.

Personally, I believe the fact that British Common Law provided similar rights prior to the Constitution providing them, doesn't mean that they are absolute and universal.

 

Your statements are irrelevant since you are wrong, on all counts

 

You haven't demonstrated that... So, using your reasoning, your statements are irrelevant since you are wrong, on all counts.

 

so, for the record, you are maintaining Rights are Entitlements (without court rulings to support your claim), given by government not recognized by God. Ok, we know where you stand..........................with the communists and dictators, That follows since you have stated that you would be glad to use force/kill against real Americans .......wow, that's generous of you to admit that............... never thought you'd admit it publicly.
See how easy that was?
These Rights are your Rights. You were born with them. Don't want to use them? want to grovel at the feet of tyranny? Hey, that's fine by me...go to China and see what the effect of no Rights are.
By the way, China does not even recognize basic Human Rights.............so you aren't going to qualify for the free handouts you're getting here. Your children will toil for the state and you would be in prison there. No free thinking allowed there. It is punishable up to death.
It is my opinion that anyone who willing sacrifices their children to a police state is very sick.............Take away the BoR and you have a total police state.

 

LOL, back to that old gem are you?
We both swore to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that we would bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that we would obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over us, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

I've said that, I would engage domestic terrorists if ordered to do so. You think that's "evil", but you disparage the President and call the Constitution irrelevant...
And somehow you think that me holding to my oath while you wipe your a$$ with yours somehow translates into me being a communist...

 

well, figured you couldn't think for yourself.................and you still are trying to sell that bottle of snake oil about Rights being entitlements.

 

So actually caring about the US is somehow evidence that I can't think for myself, while your violation of your oath is somehow a sign of wisdom? Is that what you're selling?

As for "rights" being "entitlements", I believe people are entitled to their rights.

 

and I believe that they are born with them. Entitlements need keys, Rights require no keys.

 

I think that's a problem that was around even when the 13 colonies were British and the lack of a united colonial government. Come to think of colonial American history I don't Britain actually had that much control in first place.
I mean they were founded independently as private property in lands beyond crown jurisdiction well until much later on.
Also was the diversity of the colonies which was kind of interesting.

But fast forwarding I seem to remember that during the 19th century expansion of the US that there was some kind of armed resistance towards federal incorporation. I think it was in Oregon.

But yes I'll have to go youtubing for that. Seems quite interesting.

 

I suppose you believe "they" are born with them no matter what country or time "they" are born in?

 

nope, only my rights count for me. I care little for your homeland, China

 

no you don't. What you are saying is that since they are entitlements, they are under the control of government which is your place of dreams for eliminating the BoR. Bub, entitlements are based on government blessings. Rights are none of their concern except to stay out of peoples business.
But you're right. The constitution and leaders have become so corrupt, there is no giving the shine back. I'll stand on the DoI and my Rights. F**k Obama and his entire crew and everyone that voted for him

 

...being used by a human with individual rights!

Fact is, some people are prejudiced against other people who use guns.

 

Math, Rights. Neither seem to be a strong point to some eh?

 

Yes, sir. I find it difficult to believe, but some Americans think Rights are a part-time thing to be taken lightly. I really love it when they say that have no use for Rights since we have such a gracious government, That such a thing as a Bill of Rights is archaic, and sadly outdated, that blessings from the government in the form of Entitlement Programs for illegals and generational welfare are so much better than Rights.
Let's take a brief look at Rights being outdated and archaic. We have a POTUS fighting two different wars trying to keep Muslim rulers in power because he is Muslim. He also supports Sharia Law and declared us a Muslim nation. We have a Congress so packed with thieves and liars that Liars and Thieves number more in DC now, than ever before.
We have a nation of cops who have been given the go ahead and start killing civilians without so much as an initial hearing before a judge, investigated by other cops, calling the whole incident appropriate. Justified??? WTF??? These special protectors of society are killing children and old folks...........and dogs They have the special blessing from DC to start slaughtering us. (That is ultimately where permission comes from)
We have the military in the streets and occupying our homes for purposes of killing our neighbors (3rd A)
We have a dictator who is destroying the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th Amendments.
We have government agencies stock piking billions of rounds of ammunition hollow points and AR 15's (select fire)
Note: The Geneva Convention bans the use of hollow points on the battlefield.
Then we have a nation full of people that believe it when Obama says he isn't violating the Constitution, he's just using his executive orders to make sure America stays free and in a state of Liberty.(?) Really?
We have fat assed congressmen and senators exempting themselves from the Laws they levy on us.
Government controls over everything from cradle to grave, taking what it wants from the rest of the nation they are supposed to respect and protect.
To paraphrase Pelosi......."We have given the nation Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness: Free Medical for all. That is how one of the most powerful defines our Rights. She arms herself even though it is illegal in her State.
The entire government machine is destroying America with such things as this, telling us it is for our own good while filling their pockets with our hard-earned dollars and arresting us if we refuse. They use a corrupt and broken agency to enforce their life-style while sliding under the radar with their wealth. But that's ok with some Americans. Hell, they even advocate such power reside in a few. We are a nation where the few rule over the many, for profit.
We are no longer a nation of choices, it is "Do it or else...."
Even the cops don't realize, they are designed to be cannon fodder when all hell breaks loose.

 

So now you don't like democracy either.... Why are you here again?

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I see, so rights are "god given", but only if you were born within the right political boundary?
Kinda seems like a contradiction.

 

another attempt to bully........................
and yet with all the things this administration (Obama and his ilk) has done here and abroad and you've got their back...........I guess the some simple ones are still kissing the sand he walks on.
I thought you said you didn't trust them either...............

 

How is this bullying? You say you disagree with democracy, you take back your oath, you say the constitution is unnecessary... And somehow I'm a bully?
What exactly has Obama done here that you're so damaged by? What's he done abroad that is worse than his predecessor?

I don't trust all politicians, but I don't immediately distrust EVERYONE.

 

where in the hell (post #) did you dig that (*)(*)(*)(*) up?
You're the one who says you want to restrict the 2nd A, reducing it to government controls, thus reducing the American people's Right to defend themselves. I say it is fine the way it is. What part of my statement about leaving my Rights alone is the same as demolishing the Constitution?
Too much Dew this morning, because only someone strung out on aspartame would take a pro-Constitutional statement and declare I had stated that I have an un-Constituional stance. Now, you are deliberately misquoting, misrepresenting and fishing in a spot of water. You are the one, also, that would fire on your friends and neighbors because maybe they have guns and practicing that Right.
What prompted this, healed up after your last loss against me?
And if you don't trust the government and their crime spree, why should I? You can damned sure betcha that they are lying when they say "We're not going to take your guns away, we only want to protect your person by registering you and your guns so we know where they are" because their mouths are moving.................They are thieves and liars and you want to convert my Right to theirs...............
go back to your babysitting thread............

 

Where did I dig it up from? From your posts, of course...

In post #51 of this thread, you said that the laws of God are the source of man's rights, that rights existed before government, don't depend on government for their existence.

In post #59, you again indicated that people are born with rights.

In post #62, you clarified that "god given rights" didn't apply to all people, as if God gives rights to people depending on where they are born.

In post #63 of this thread you said "F**k Obama and his entire crew and everyone that voted for him", which pretty much highlights what you think of the democratic process that elected the guy - twice.

You've also routinely attacked me for saying that - when I was enlisted - I would have engaged a domestic terrorist if ordered to do so.

These quotes attack the validity of governmental documents such as the Constitution and BoR, deny the president and democratic process, and attack me for being willing to protect the country against domestic enemies.
This seems like unbecoming behavior from someone who once took an oath saying "I, 'stjames1_53', do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God. ".

I find it amusing that you believe there's been some sort of competition between us, or that you could win such a competition.

But all of this is a red herring... I asked what "crimes" you believe this government has committed that is any different from previous governments. Of course, you have no answer and go back to things you assume might happen at some point in the future, even though it hasn't in the last four and a half years...

 

so, by your own admission and subsequent post, I never said I was for demolishing the Bill of Rights or the Constitution........thanks for verfying that for all to read.
And young fellow, I'm not in the military any longer.

 

I never claimed you wanted to "demolish" the Constitution...
I said you believed the documents that founded our country are unnecessary since they have no impact on your rights (although, for some reason, the rights Americans have don't apply to others....)

I don't remember there being a time limit on that oath. I guess that's the real difference between us.
Well, that and the fact that I'm nowhere near the age where I need adult diapers.

I'm somewhat concerned that there have been an increase in what could be considered paranoid rantings lately... such as post #66 of this thread, which is pure teabonics.

 

nope, that is only your mind playing tricks on you. I have stated and will maintain, that our government, with your support desires to disarm us. The Fed Gov cannot legally legislate our Rights. But why should you care, you don't use and don't want them. And since I present no clear and present danger, why bother me?
I have also stated, that like the Founding Fathers, who you deem a bunch of crackpots, recognized those Rights are granted by God (atheist?) and existed before the country was founded.
To relieve us of those Rights, opens the door to tyranny, which you clearly support.

 

nope, that is only your mind playing tricks on you. I have stated and will maintain, that our government, with your support desires to disarm us. The Fed Gov cannot legally legislate our Rights. But why should you care, you don't use and don't want them. And since I present no clear and present danger, why bother me?
I have also stated, that like the Founding Fathers, who you deem a bunch of crackpots, recognized those Rights are granted by God (atheist?) and existed before the country was founded.
To relieve us of those Rights, opens the door to tyranny, which you clearly support.
It is my belief that all men should have the Right to defend themselves against such things as tyranny and criminals. However, they either don't want them having lived in thrall for generations, or already living under the foot of law.
You desire for all Men to be subjects................with you standing over them with a gun..............nice, real nice