MP Cameron:" Online pornography to be blocked in (UK) by default"

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  1. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    so what do you think?

     
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    Stupid for any civilised country around the world but we are talking about the UK.....

    Rape is a very popular role play between couples and all the movies are copyrighted commercial products made by consenting professionals on contract .
     
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    agreed, the protestants are very keen on sex regulations
     
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    Im no David Cameron fan but dont have a huge issue with it tbh. Its says if you want porn your ISP can unblock it for you - would be handy for families with young children id imagine.
     
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    there are 100 other options for for families with young children , no one with the brain needs this law
     
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    Ring up the ISP and say ' let there be porn and then there was porn'

    Yes theres other ways, but people are lazy and stupid. Provided they dont make it harder (no pun intended) than a phone call request i dont have an issue. The only issue id have is its something that could start being charged for - the unlocking of the porn filter i mean.
     
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    Same here, on that score. It's just the same filters that are offered by all ISPs now, but the default setting will be 'on', rather than 'off' as it is now. Not a big issue at all, as long as people can have the filter turned off if that's what they want.

    As for the rape thing, I would imagine it's not intended to apply to things that are clearly (and clearly marked as) structured and consensual roleplay (otherwise I would think that the whole bondage-type industry would be in serious trouble!), but to things that show, or appear to show, actual rape taking place. I don't see a problem with videos that appear to show an act that is actually illegal anyway being banned, so that there is no encouragement to anyone thinking of committing such an act and trying to make cash by filming it and selling it afterwards (not to mention there being no encouragement to anyone that rape is something 'exciting' for them to try). Doesn't seem unreasonable to me - in general, anything that shows sex without the proper, clear consent (of a consenting adult) of all parties involved should be banned, and many things that do that already are, I believe (anything involving animals, for example).
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    The morality police are again deciding for us what we can or cannot do in our homes and private lives. What they hope to achieve with this is beyond me.
     
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    Of course there are, especially to avoid very young children from seeing something accidentally, but most of them involve doing things that many clever young computer-savvy teenagers (the kind who might want to bypass such filters) can undo more quickly and easily than their often slightly less computer-savvy parents! If it requires parents to actually make a phone call (and answer the relevant security questions and so on), it makes it much harder for the kids to bypass, and if that applies by default not just in the home but to any network connection they log into (unless the owners of it have specifically had it turned off, which most people probably won't), it significantly cuts down the chances of underage kids gaining access to such material (and does so without interfering with any adults right to have access to it on their own connection if they want it).

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    No, they aren't. Not unless the person is under 18, in which case they always have, because such people are not legally considered adults. If the person is over 18 and wants to watch such material, they can choose have the filter turned off.
     
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    here i agree with you, take from the poors football , porno and alcohol and you will see what they do with UK
     
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    stupid one will use this
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    I am a bit split on this. On one hand I have always been troubled by the fact that anyone with any computer know how can essentially get free porn with no or very laughable restriction. Literally every porn site asks you if you are 18 or over............if you click yes then you are golden and can watch all the porn you want. That is the extent to which online porn is being kept from minors, a very simply yes or no question. That is just laughably silly.

    However, I do not like the way they are doing it simply because this opens the door for blackmail or corruption. Somewhere they are going to have a list of IP addresses and more than likely the people behind them for verification purposes and that does not sit will with me at all. I would rather much prefer that it be proactive and that parents can call their ISP and have them block it on their end so that kids cant disable the filters which are a complete and utter joke and anyone with an IQ north of 25 can easily bypass. Obviously there are still ways around it like hooking into someone elses wifi that might have it unblocked but that is certainly harder to do than doing it with you own PC if the other person has a WEP code.
     
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    everyone who can use google can pass it in 5 sek
     
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    Yep thats the concern, what happens to the information and/or what happens further down the track. Ive a distrust of govt, the Brits sure should have. Otherwise it wouldnt be such a bad idea- but as pointed out theres other ways. Thinking about it i had my way it should be ON with the option to turn it OFF, perhaps thats already there i dont know. As i said i really dont have a problem with the idea, i have a distrust of govt.
     
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    Sorry but that's ridiculous. I don't see how anyone, however publicly pious they might be could be significantly harmed by the knowledge that they happen to have this option turned on. Anyone with access to this level of information is likely to have access to much more significant personal information if they have ulterior motive.

    There is a question of where the filters sit and how they work. I've not seen anything other than mainstream reporting so the details aren't clear (though there was a reference to downloading something). I think the change here is about making no access the default though they're still talking about new customers being asked the question directly (via an automated pop-up) so that's rather moot. I think if you stick with your existing ISP, nothing changes.

    I think the main advantage of all this is it forces people to consider the issue when most people would prefer not to think about it at all.
     
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    I can do that already. As I see it this proposal is no less than a cynical attempt at boosting the flagging popularity of the Conservative government by appealing to the emotions in the wake of recent disturbing crimes against children.
     
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    They just mentioned on the news (BBC) that the filter would be set 'On' as the default for new customers (unless they specify otherwise), and that ISPs would be writing to existing customers to ask whether they want it switched on or off.
    Precisely. The filters already exist, but at the moment are only activated if customers contact them to request it. Many people either don't know they exist at all, or don't get around to doing it because they just don't think about it (often because it's just not a subject that interests them). the only change is that, if that is the case, the filter will be on for a new customer, and existing customers will be informed about it and asked to make their choice. I can't see how this is a problem - it's not adding new restrictions for anybody, unless they want them, or don't care enough to remove them (in which case it probably doesn; matter to them one way or the other).
     
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    Sometimes politicians and governments do actually try to address problems that exist. Some people will choose to believe that everything they do is done with evil intent, of course, and that every politician enters politics just to do harm, but that doesn't make it true. Since this measure won't make any practical difference to any consenting adult in terms of what they can and can't watch, it's can hardly be said to be doing much harm!
     
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    If you can choose to have the filter turned on or off, I see no problem with it. Good to have choices.
     
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    This proves once more how incompetent British parents are, the correct action should be for users to ask from their ISP to apply a filter not to remove it .
    Cameron of course demonizes BDSM community once more , too bad we are not like homosexuals to have a huge amount of money behind us.
     
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    There is a world of difference between consenting adults indulging in BDSM, if that is their thing, and 'rape'. What is being banned is videos that depict rape, not images that depict BDSM. The only people being demonised are rapists, and there's nothing at all wrong with that.
     
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    we have already huge problem manga, ..its not that easy ...
    http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-01-28/swedish-translator-child-pornography-charges-upheld
     
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    This is definitely nanny statism, but unfortunately, Europe is typically rampant with that.
     
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    That's an awfully authoritarian solution to the problem of underage viewers of pornography. Not a good precedent for a government being able to block what they don't approve of, unless the person authorizes it. Suppose they apply that to political websites?
     
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    Scandinavia + UK is not a Europe ...

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/econ...conomist-explains-why-iceland-ban-pornography
     

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