George Zimmerman Emerged From Hiding for Truck Crash Rescue

The fact that he savagely attacked a stranger is why he died.
My daughter would give him time to identify himself at least.
My daughter wouldn't act suspiciously and erupt in violence... because my daughter was raised properly.

 

That moronic law called self defense has been on the books as long as this country has had law.

 

Without 'Stand Your Ground', self defense would not have fit this case given that Zimmerman chose to pursue when Treyvon was attempting to get away from him and chose not to use proportionate force once in a confrontation.

 

So who would you call if you needed help:

-Superman
-Batman
-Zimmerman
-Sharpton

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...Fail!

 

According to Zimmerman's reenactment (the testimony of the only living witness), Treyvon did start the confrontation by asking him what his problem was; and Zimmerman responded before the confrontation got physical, he just chose not to identify himself.

Oh yes, the "suspicious behavior" that Zimmerman noticed.... in a few seconds (at most) while driving past on a rainy night. Treyvon was walking on the sidewalk, wearing a hood in the rain, and talking on his phone. Oh, and he was black. Zimmerman had a LONG history of calling the police over the presence of black folks.
It is a shame that Treyvon wasn't raised ("properly") to never wear a hood in the rain. Doing so is definately just asking to get stalked and shot...

 

Seriously, you can't think of anything to contribute, or any counterpoint to my assertion? The best you can come up with is random baiting? That's sad.

 

You ever been a testosterone-filled teenage boy? I was. At that age, I probably would have run too, but would have hated myself for "chickening out" the instant I did it, especially since I would have felt indignant that HE was in the wrong for chasing me and I had every right to be there.
Would I have gone back to ask him what his problem was, while I had "fight or flight" hormones pumping? I don't know, maybe.

 

He took a reasonable action against an apparent mugger or boy bumper.

Martin gave Z a chance to explain himself. Z smart-mouthed him and did't identify himself. We have his words on tape from the police interview. He also said he went into his pocket. Wrong bloody answer. It would look to a rational person like he was going for a weapon.

Martin was not doing anything suspicious. Even that jackass Hannity on his radio show yesterday thought it seemed logical that he would act the way he did when the moron first started following him.

When a threatening SOB goes into his pocket for a weapon, the most violent actions possible are in order. You are not obligated to wait to see whether he has a gun under the circumstances. That is waiting too long. Anybody with good sense knows that.

 

Martin did take evasive action and found it futile. One common sense rule is that you never let a sexual predator know where you live. I see nothing wrong with his making a stand, although I would have been looking for an outside fire alarm. You want to attract some attention in a hurry.

 

It was a supicious circumstance... and the police agreed. Zimmerman felt he was acting suspicious, perhaps on drugs or something, while parked on the phone with the NEN operator. Of 46 calls ony 4 included black suspects... (and one kid playing in the street) and there was a rash of black crime in the area in the year leading up to the incident. He also called in suspicious white and latinos. Zimmerman did not appear to have considered his race before being asked by the NEN operator, to which he replied "he looks black". Zimmerman was also the point man, according to HOA literature, if you saw something suspicious, you were to call Zimmerman, who would then call it in. It is not even known how many of the 4 black teens called in originated from him. Two of them indicate he was the observer.

This whole race angle is completely contrived. George Zimmerman is a model citizen.

 

A person walking on a sidewalk at night while wearing a hood and talking on the phone is suspicious?

BTW, can you define what "black crime" is? Are you referring to the DAYTIME robberies in the area, for which someone was arrested several days prior?

Model citizens to not stalk and kill people who have done nothing wrong other than defend themselves from a stalker.

 

You have it backwards. SYG did not fit the case to the self defense was the only option.

 

So then confronting someone and attacking them is OK?

 

George Zimmerman Emerged From Hiding for Truck Crash Rescue

In this tread the claim is made that George was the "point man" and that residents were supposed to call him before they called the police.

That is untrue.. Residents were to call NEN or 911 directly and then call George... if they chose to do so.

George did not have to be involved in every incident of reporting.

George was NW coordinator.. which meant he was supposed to recruit block captains and set up a telephone tree... contact Seminole Sheriff's office for more training etc.

I thought a correction was in order.

 

Are you asking if it's ok to defend yourself against someone who is harassing you, then the answer should be obvious.
Should Treyvon have attacked? That answer is debateable. Given that Zimmerman (the only person with a motive to lie) is the only witness who asserts that Treyvon was the one to start the fight, whether Treyvon should have attacked may not even be relevant.

 

Dude, the jury instructions in the case specifically included SYG: "If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

The fact is that you could take George Zimmerman's name out of that instruction and insert Treyvon Martin's, and the same would apply. Being followed around on a rainy night by a stranger could make the average person (much less a teenager) fear for their safety. So, Treyvon's actions were "self defense" too...

 

Defense against a question? Try that in court sometime.

 

"Defense against a question"?
What question? The only question that was asked was from Treyvon asking what Zimmerman's problem was...

 

Fail. SYG was not invoked. It was simple self defense no matter how you want to portray it.

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So you are saying that Martin came back and attacked him?

 

Maybe somebody should ask a juror how they came to their decision... Oh wait, that's already been done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5_COGDTgyw

Nope. Zimmerman said that during his reenactment. Of course, he also said that Treyvon asked him what his problem was first, and that he had time to answer before there was a confrontation....

But since Zimmerman never identified himself or provided a reason for following Treyvon, it would have been perfectly reasonable for Treyvon to assume Zimmerman was a random freak or pervert stalking a teenager around the neighborhood and defend himself accordingly.

 

Hard to talk after getting punched in the nose.

 

That seems about right.

 

Yup, good thing that - according to Zimmerman - Treyvon asked him what his problem was and gave him an opportunity to answer BEFORE the confrontation got physical.

Of course, I could understand if you choose not to put your faith in Saint George... He did arrange to be the only living witness.

 

You might say that Martin arranged that by committing felony assault.

 

So you can speak before committing an assault and battery and that makes it ok? Care to show us that in the text of the law?