Parents who tried to pray away illness charged with murder

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  1. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Well that isnt really the correct way to look at it, imo. Does it matter whether its your business or not? A law isnt based off that logic. What I mean is, when someone steals from someone else in another state... it really doesnt impact you. But whether its your business or not doesnt prevent it from being a law . So onto my point, it may not be your business whether or not a parent lets their child die through lack of medical care, but it is danmwell that childs and someone needs to speak for him... you know what i mean? The law should speak for those who cant when needed, and this is needed. IMO, its no different than letting your child die by preventing him access to food or water. Or CPR when he cant breath. Or an allergy shot when he eats a pea nut and he cant.... etc.
     
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    I think I understand what you're saying here. I was thinking about "my business" more generally than personally, and I didn't make that as clear as you did. Ultimately, we're arguing over how much micromanagement of our lives is beneficial to society, and how much actual damage is being accepted in exchange for personal liberty. And personally, I'm willing to accept quite a lot of damage. Especially if my personal liberty is curtailed so that someone else's ego gets stroked. I'm willing to accept the damage to their poor ego, to keep as much freedom as I can.
     
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    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    lol dude just lo-(*)(*)(*)(*)ing-l. This is the most pathetic excuse you have ever come up with for (*)(*)(*)(*)-con religious wackos.
     
  4. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    In a legal sense, it has its relevance. I agree that I think it it odd, but when thinking about "what if" , some diseases are very rare and often fatal. If a child had a disease like such, and two different TOP doctors had disagreeing opinions on the correct treatment, a potential exist for a very very VERY interesting court case.
     
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    Um...no. There is no excuse for what they did. I don't even except "misguided" as an excuse. They killed both their children.
     
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    Umm.... dude, are you serious?
     
  9. Flintc

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    Well, obviously he's pro-life, right?
     
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    I just hope death panel members are tried for murder someday.
     
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    No it doesn't. Pneumonia is very treatable with antibiotics.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumonia#Prognosis

    Does this mean that the baby certainly would not have died if the parents gave him treatment? No. But he was a whole hell of a lot more likely to live.

    The court will have to weigh the interests of retarded parents who doesn't want to give their kids treatment that could easily save their lives against the interests of the kids who might live one day to realize how retarded their parents are. What do you think will win?
     
  12. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    How would the law determine who's idea of treatment is best suited ?
     
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    Doesn't matter. You can't connect abortion to these brain-washed, religious zealots who deliberately chose to let their 2nd child die.
     
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    Since they don't exist, your hope is in vain.
     
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    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What do you mean by best suited? Do you mean which is more likely to cure the patient? Because the answer is obvious.

    If you think the court is going to decide that it is impossible to determine because the power of God is unknown, then lol.
     
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    People smoke three or four packs of cigarretes per day and kill themselves early in life... why this judge won't stop them by sending them to jail because they are attempting against their lives?

    What about alcoholics who won't listen any advice to stop drinking?

    And all of those who feel pain in some part of their bodies and won't go to a doctor and end dying of advanced cancer after a year or two?

    Why all those people are not also arrested if the point is to protect human lives?

    The decision of the parents must be respected if no bad intention was the motive. THey didn't know the condition of their son, could be a cold or something else... even doctors have released people with pneunomia with simple pills for allergy, and took seriously the sickness when the patient returned back the same night with worst conditions...

    It is not a crime to pray for someone, and less to choose one method over another when someone is sick.

    Several people die by doctor's mistakes, and the family member should be alive just by staying at home instead of going to a doctor.

    I don't see a reason to hold the parents in jail, here is an abuse of authority and this judge is wrong.
     
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    Locked up and sterilized!
     
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    Well, talk about a load of pure psychobabble.........

    For one thing, you can't compare adults who chose to smoke, drink, etc. to an 8 month old BABY, who's health and LIFE is in the hands of his parents! This baby did not chose to get sick! Hullo? Anyone home in there?!

    This couple had already let one of their kids die, due to neglect by refusing to take him to the dr. and they got off on probation w/the waring if another of their 9 children got really sick, they were to take him to a dr and they didn't...... instead they left their 8 month old laying there gasping for breath b/c he had pneumonia while they prayed. It didn't work, did it?

    If a child has shallow breathing, gasping for breath, you DO something! You don't just pray over his body, then tell yourself God will make him better and go to bed!

    Why is it these brain-dead, religious zealots will go to a dr for themselves when they can't see clearly to get glasses and to a dentist if they need dental work or to a dr if they break a bone? But they won't take their children to a dr if the child gets really sick?

    Sick bastards........
     
  19. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    OK, some people will convict and some will exonerate. So if the parents are exonerated that gives a green light for others to do what they did. Is that a good thing? Or if they are convicted how can another parent claim the same defense and expect not to be convicted?
     
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    There is no question that they violated their child's rights in letting it die from a very treatable illness.

    Your rights end when the next persons begin.
     
  21. Oldyoungin

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    Your vision is extremely short . Who determines what treatment is best for more rare and uncommon illnesses and or disease ? If you think treatment of disease and or illness is always obvious then you know very little about medicine .
     
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    They should be in jail for pure stupidity. Best to keep them away from the population.
     
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    Are you suggesting Pneumonia is an uncommon disease?

    There is a consensus among the medical community that Pneumonia is best treated with antibiotics. Whether prayer is effective or not, it is not a scientific method. So it is pretty easy for the courts to dismiss it.
     
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    Show me in the Constitution where someone has the individual right to deny medical service to another individual.
     
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    Although he did not have a rare disease, I think all doctors can agree that the best treatment for what you might have is not "pray it away".
     

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