Congress may vote ‘No’ on Syria attack

Your problem is that you haven't a clue who the real terrorists are .

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":Hezbollah is protecting Lebanon and the Levant’s minority groups

On July 14, Nasrallah went on Lebanese television to say that Hezbollah was fighting to defend both the people of Lebanon and Syria from the abominations of “an American, Israeli and takfiri project to destroy not only Syria but the entire region.”

"Moscow does not want the takfiri brigades to enter the North Caucasus or to attack any of its sister-republics and allies in Central Asia. As opposed to the United States and its allies, Russian foreign policy in the Middle East openly promotes diversity and the protection of Christians and minority groups.

Unlike Hezbollah, the US Does Not Give a Damn about Arab Christians

Dr. Naji Hayek, a Lebanese Christian, sums it all up by stating: “Hezbollah is fighting for us, for me!” He made the statement after we watched Michel Aoun live on Orange TV declaring that he supported Hezbollah after fighting erupted in the Lebanese city of Sidon.

If the takfiris make inroads into Lebanon, he assured me that he would pick up his gun and fight too. Hayek, a surgeon, a professor at the Lebanese American University, and an advisor to Michel Aoun—the leader of the Free Patriotic Movement, the largest Christian political party in Lebanon—helped draft the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act and used to submit intelligence reports about Syrian activities in Lebanon to the US Senate. He was once a member of Lebanon’s National Liberal Party and a close friend of Samir Geagea, the Christian warlord extraordinaire allied to the US and Saudi Arabia. Hayek was even injured while fighting against the Syrians for Michel Aoun.
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Nasrallah’s sentiments are widely shared inside and outside Lebanon. According to Mohsen Saleh, a professor of political philosophy at the Lebanese University and an expert on Hezbollah, the threat of “takfirism” is now working to terminate all diversity in the region in league with Israel and the US. The Muslim Brotherhood is tied to this project too, but “it is now collapsing and in a state of decay” according to Saleh. “The Brotherhood came into power a hundred years too late,” he told me. While visiting him at his office, he explained that all of Lebanon’s different communities are afraid of the takfiris as they have witnessed their crimes in Syria. This is why the Maronite Catholic Church and the multitude of Christian denominations in Lebanon are increasingly standing behind Hezbollah. He confidently said that all of Lebanon’s different sects will improve their relations with Hezbollah due to the mutual threat they all face. When I asked Saleh about Lebanon’s Prime Minister-designate, who is linked to Hezbollah’s rivals in Lebanon, he pointed out that Tamman Saeb Salam is not a puppet. In a discreet gesture of support distinguishing him from the Hariri camp, Tamman has said that Hezbollah will remain a resistance group no matter what happens due to its intervention in Syria.
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Things have changed since then and new alliances have formed. Syria is an enemy no longer and Samir Geagea is no longer a friend.

Hayek told me bitterly that the US has never hesitated to manipulate and then drop the Christians in Lebanon. He even showed me a heated email exchange between him and Jeffrey Feltman, while Feltman was serving as a US assistant-secretary in the US State Department, where Feltman in reference to Hezbollah accused the Free Patriotic Movement of being aligned with “evil.” In retrospect, Hayek realizes that the US had different motives when the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act was drafted.

Furiously, he talked about “the twenty-five year old kids working at the Lebanon Desk in the [US] State Department with [Bachelor of Arts] in history” that are disconnected from reality in the Middle East which he has had to deal with.


http://rt.com/op-edge/hezbollah-syria-conflict-target-255/

Also see this Jerusalem Post

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Relations-between-Christians-Hezbollah-warming-up
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Who are the real terrorists ?

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I'd say its personal business - lining their own pockets "

Senators who voted for Syria strike got more defense contractor dough

"The ten Senate Foreign Relations Committee members who voted to attack Syria received 83 percent more campaign contributions from defense contractors than the seven senators who voted against it, according to analysis from Maplight.org.

Examining data from 2007 to 2012, the analysts found that the average senator who voted “yes” on the authorization of the use of military force took $72,850 from defense contractors and other defense industry interests. Senators who voted “no” received just $39,770 on average.

Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain led the pack among those in favor, raking in about $176,000 from defense interests over five years. Illinois Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin garnered $127,000 from the defense industry, followed by Virginia Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine, who picked up a cool $101,000.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/06/s...-more-defense-contractor-dough/#ixzz2eDiFAAkK

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Christians in Lebanon already lost the war a long time ago. South Lebanon Army surrendered and many escaped to other Western countries. Christians had 0 chance to defeat Hezbollah. However Hezbollah did not take any revenge against them instead they invited them to build Lebanon together. The Lebanese Army is Christian and Sunni, but they are no match for Hezbollah. Last month Leb Army tried to carry out an operation against a radical salafi cleric in radical Mosque. 20 Christian soldiers died, because they are not well trained. They had to call in units of Hezbollah, which came and rescued about 100 Christian Lebanese soldiers who were trapped. Hezbollah also took the mosque and killed all of the salafi wahhabi cockroaches inside, along with their cleric.

Hezbollah is better trained, equipped, they are professional soldiers, disciplined and they follow an IDF style training system, with same tactics.

 

That is only the rallying call of Syrian Army that they yell at terrorists who constantly yell "takfir allahu akbar!"

It is meant to show our unity and support for Syria and Bashar.

 

Fact is that there are 20+ religious minorities in Syria, and they are terrified of Assad losing, and this cabal of extremist throat cutting, heart eating cannibals taking over.

Our Gov's have been funding the heart eating cannibals.

We have been providing weapons and such to them.

Has not worked.

So now Obama, prodded by organised Jewry ( NO DENIALS), are planning to murder lots of people, so that the terrorist cannibals can take charge.

 

Not with the support of Jewish Americans;

http://www.juancole.com/2013/09/american-divided-strike.html

 

Zionists cooperated with the Nazis on the number of issues. They successfully destroyed many documents to cover their shameful act towards their own people but they did not destroy all of them.

http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/display/5200/index.php


A Review by William Hughes of Lenni Brenner's book, "51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis"
by William Hughes

 

Sorry I disagree.

Two thirds polled in Israel voted for non Jews to murder non Jews is Syria.

You can call them 'Israeli' if you wish, but they are Russians, Poles, Americans, some British, but what they are are Jews.

Haretz has no problem at all calling it as it is.

U.S. Jewish groups call on Congress to approve use of force against Syria’s Assad

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/.premium-1.545297

 

No offence to Juan or anything, but it would simply not be in the interests of those he polled to tell the full truth.

Of course they WANT it to seem that American Jews are just not interested in Israel. Nup. Despite it being the one and only 'Jewish state', and despite them likely having family and friends there, I am expected to believe it just doesn't really matter to them.

Of course they are going to say that Moon. What would it look like if they came right out and said 'To be honest, it's Israel first'..?

It would be confirmation of what many suspect anyway.

 

Oh any bugger with shares knowingly or not ( all pension funds ) in War and Banks.....business.

 

Half quotes are always out of context to some degree.

And but did those quotes have anything to do with this thread? Any about the price of a loaf of bread in Damascus at the mo and if children are going to school, how traumatized they are anything like that?

 

Tyrannical Empires tyrannize their own most and first.

 

And every pension fund has shares so whether Americans are for or agin the never ending Wars most do profit from them and then fund it all with their Taxes ........crazy.

 

Only if it changes the meaning of the intent of the author.

 

Nevertheless , pension funds (with the exception of some ethically managed fund s) is one thing , while IMO - political Party campaign funds , is , - a completely different matter.

- (wink)
btw _ do you , perhaps know , whether donations by US companies to political partiies is Tax deductable in America ? If not , can it be funnelled via some sort of "charity" ?

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Always, to some extent and some do not understand as well as others the meanings of the intent of authors, so who are those who are less sensitive and or sympathetic to meaning to judge?

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Absolutely and No I don't know but .......well that is how it is done here isn't it?

 

That is possible however, when one is discussing with another it increases the odds that both understand and, if you have a grievance, you are more than able to identify where a misunderstanding occurred.

To say that everything must be quoted in context would mean that entire books must be posted when all one needs to do is quote one sentence. It is a ridiculous assertion that quotes cannot be chopped down for brevity when everybody in the discussion understands the contest and, if they don't, links are provided to allow for it.

 

I was not but it did used to be that when people quoted they did so in the knowledge that those they quoted too had the same education and thus complete understanding of where that quote came from, in every sense,

This is not always true now a days.

That a certain posted quoted things I said on another thread which had nothing to do with this conversation and was trying to use my words against me on a personal level is all I was arguing about here and now.

 

I didn't see any poll abut "murder". Can you link to it please as this seems a rather silly wording for a poll.

 

What is our vital national interest? What is our strategy to achieve that vital national interest? How does launching a half-billion dollars worth of cruise missiles further our strategy? How will we know if our strategy is succeeding?

 

I looked but didn't see anything taken out of context.

Not sure if it was personal as you were putting forth a contention with no facts save your personal view. He brought up your past history as that would be all we had to go on.

 

I wasn't even talking to him. And it wasn't my opinion it was a second hand account of a happening ..........now in that context to discredit me he would need to show that I do not tell truths not that he simply does not agree with my opinions of anything

I question his tactics but it is of no matter.

 

>>>MOD EDIT: INSULT<<<, what were these peace proposals? Ribbentrop intentionally sabotaged the Danzig negotiations on behalf of Hitler:

" Ribbentrop sabotaged all efforts at a peaceful solution to the Danzig dispute, leading the American historian Gerhard Weinberg to comment that "perhaps Chamberlain's haggard appearance did him more credit than Ribbentrop's beaming smile" as the countdown to a war that would kill millions inexorably gathered pace.[153]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_von_Ribbentrop

This was because Nazi Germany had already formed a military alliance with the Soviet Union under the secret protocol of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in which they would divide Eastern Europe amongst each other culminating in the joint invasion of Poland by the Third Reich and Soviet Union military alliance:

http://www.lituanus.org/1989/89_1_03.htm

It was Hitler who sabotaged the Danzig negotiations, it was Hitler who violated the Munich Agreement through not only the invasion of Poland but through the total invasion of Czechoslavakia rather than just the Sudetenland as stipulated in the Munich Accords:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement#Invasion_of_the_remainder_of_Czechoslovakia

It was Hitler who illegally invaded Poland under the pretext of a Polish attack on a German radio station when in actuality this event was staged by the SS itself under Operation Himmler:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

Hitler started the war because he was fighting for racial supremacism over the Untermensch of the world to be enslaved under Aryan rule and the extermination of the Lebensunwertes Leben (Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Slavs, etc) under Generalplan Ost to clear the path for Aryan Lebensraum. Hitler's war was one of territorial conquest, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. Hitler always planned aggressive military expansionism since the outset, it was his intentions all along, how do we know this? Because he damn well said so as early as 1925 in Mein Kampf:

Therefore we National Socialists have purposely drawn a line through the line of conduct followed by pre-War Germany in foreign policy. We put an end to the perpetual Germanic march towards the South and West of Europe and turn our eyes towards the lands of the East. We finally put a stop to the colonial and trade policy of pre-War times and pass over to the territorial policy of the future.

But when we speak of new territory in Europe to-day we must principally think of Russia and the border States subject to her.

This colossal Empire in the East is ripe for dissolution. And the end of the Jewish domination in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a State. We are chosen by Destiny to be the witnesses of a catastrophe which will afford the strongest confirmation of the nationalist theory of race.

But it is our task, and it is the mission of the National Socialist Movement, to develop in our people that political mentality which will enable them to realize that the aim which they must set to themselves for the fulfilment of their future must not be some wildly enthusiasti


http://greatwar.nl/books/meinkampf/meinkampf.pdf

The Holocaust happened, 6 million were killed, the Jews were targeted because of their Jewish blood and no other reason not even their religion, these are cold hard facts, I will now prove that beyond any shadow of a doubt, the preponderance of evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable, you holocaust deniers have been presented these unequivocal facts on this forum numerous times by myself and many others, in fact it is the only subject that many of us here agree on.

You people have been provided the Special Operational Reports of the Einsatzgrupen to the SS-Reichssicherheitshauptamt Reich Main Security Office (RSHA) detailing the targeting of Jews, the dates of the killings, where they were killed, and how many:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/sitreptoc.html

You have been shone the authentication of those reports by SS-Sturmbannführer Kurt Lindow chief of subdepartment IV A 1 [of the RSHA] who received them.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/esg/authenticity.html

You have been provided the Jager report produced by SS-Standartenführer Karl Jäger, commander of Einsatzkommando 3 detailing the extermination of Lithuanian Jewry including nearly 40,000 children:

http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocJager.htm

You have been shown the testimony of Morgen, Kremer, Böck, Hofmann, Hössler, Klein, Münch, and Stark, all high ranking Nazis, none charged with any crimes, who all came forward of their own volition to testify, and to this day have not recanted their testimony to their dying day,

You have been shown the Wannsee Transcripts outlining the Final Solution to the Jewish question.

http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/wansee-transcript.html

You have been shown the testimony of SS Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann the man who took the minutes of the conference who confirmed them as authentic during his trial under questioning from his defense attorney's Robert Servatius and Dieter Wechtenbruch:in the German.

http://www.ghwk.de/ghwk/engl/texts/eichmanns-testimony.pdf

[video=youtube;kPFcMy1oLIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPFcMy1oLIA[/video]

[video=youtube;m3TqRrAK4e0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3TqRrAK4e0[/video]

You have been shown Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler's Poznan Speech of October 4, 1943 proving that Final Solution was a euphemism for extermination and not deportation:

I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people are being exterminated', says every party member, 'this is very obvious, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, we're doing it, hah, a small matter.' [...] But of all those who talk this way, none had observed it, none had endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when 500 lie there or when 1,000 are lined up. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person - with exceptions due to human weaknesses - had made us tough. This is a page of glory never mentioned and never to be mentioned. [...] We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill this people who wanted to kill us.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/

And another on October 6, 1943:

I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? &#8211; I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men - in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. [...] I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over.

You have been shown the comparative World Almanac census statistics for the global Jewish population showing a drop of nearly 5.5 million between 1938 and 1949.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.cgi?people//f/freedman.benjamin/background-data

You have been shown the Nazi document showing that an 80,000 cremation capacity per month at Auschwitz was insufficient.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

You have been shown the details of the mass graves excavated at Belzec:

Grave 3 is 16 meters long by 15 meters wide by 5 meters deep (about 52 feet by 50 feet by 16 feet.)

Grave 10 is 24 meters long by 18 meters wide by 5 meters deep (about 78 feet by 59 feet by 16 feet.)

Grave 20 extends outside the current camp boundaries and so could not be completely measured. The part that could be measured is 26 meters long by 11 meters wide by 5 meters deep (85 feet by 36 feet by 16 feet).

More dishonestly, Mattogno fails to mention at all that Graves 1, 4, 13, 25, 27, 28 and 32 also contain unburned remains.

Therefore, out of 10 graves that held whole human remains, Mattogno only acknowledges 3 of them.

Grave 5 contains "pieces of burnt human bones so densely packed together that the drill could not penetrate further." The grave is 32 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4.50 meters deep (about 105 feet by 33 feet by 15 feet).

Grave 6 is 30 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4 meters deep (about 99 feet by 33 feet by 13 feet). It contains "carbonized wood and pieces of fragments of burnt human bones. At the east end of the grave, the ground is covered with gray sand containing a mixture of crushed pieces of burnt and unburned pieces of human bones."

Graves 3, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33 all contain fragments of burnt human bones, human ashes and carbonized wood.

Grave 14 is the largest in the camp. It contains "burnt pieces of human bones and fragments of carbonized wood mixed with grey sandy soil to a depth of 5 meters." That is about 16 feet deep.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspo t.com/2006/05/carlo-mattogno-on-belzec.html

You have been shown the unrepentant testimony of SS-Gruppenführer Otto Ohlendorf head of Einsatzgruppen D outlining the rear actions of the Einsatzagruppen regarding the intentional murder of ethnic Jews in the East based on their blood including the women and children:


Q. What were these orders?

A. These orders had as their purpose to make it as easy as possible for the unfortunate victim and to prevent the brutality of the men from leading to inevitable excesses. Thus I first ordered that only so many victims should be brought to the place of execution as the execution commandos could handle. Any individual action by any individual man was forbidden. The Einsatzkommandos shot in a military manner only upon orders. It was strictly ordered to avoid any maltreatment, undressing was not permitted. The taking of any personal possessions was not permitted. Publicity was not permitted, and at the very moment when it was noted that a man had experienced joy in carrying out these executions, it was ordered that this man should never participate in any more executions. The men could not report voluntarily, they were ordered.
Q. Why did you not prevent the liquidations?

A. Even if I use the most severe standard in judging this, I had as little possibility as any of the codefendants here to prevent this order. There was only one thing, a senseless martyrdom through suicide, senseless because this would not have changed anything in the execution of this order, for this order was not an order of the SS, it was an order of the Supreme Commander in Chief and the Chief of State; it was not only carried out by Himmler or Heydrich. The army had to carry it out too, the High Command of the Army as well as the commanders in the east and southeast who were the superior commanders for the Einsatzgruppen and Einsatzkommandos. If I could imagine a theoretical possibility, then there was only the refusal on the part of those persons who were in the uppermost hierarchy and could appeal to the Supreme Commander and Chief of State, because they had the only possibility of getting access to him. They were, after all, the highest bearers of responsibility in the theater of operations.

Q. Did you not try in Nikolaev to dissuade the Reich Leader SS from this order?

A. The situation in Nikolaev was especially depressing in a moral sense, because in agreement with the army, we had excluded a large number of Jews, the farmers, from the executions. When the Reich Leader SS was in Nikolaev on 4 or 5 October, I was reproached for this measure and he ordered that henceforth, even against the will of the army, the executions should take place as planned. When the Reich Leader SS arrived at my headquarters, I had assembled all available commanders of my Einsatzgruppe. The Reich Leader addressed these men and repeated the strict order to kill all those groups which I have designated. He added that he alone would carry the responsibility, as far as accounting to the Fuehrer was concerned. None of the men would bear any responsibility, but he demanded the execution of this order, even though he knew how harsh these measures were. Nevertheless, after supper, I spoke to the Reich Leader and I pointed out the inhuman burden which was being imposed on the men in killing all these civilians. I didn't even get an answer.

Q. Now, I cannot pronounce it correctly, the Karaims were another sect whom you encountered in the south of Russia, and this sect had no Jewish blood, but it did share the religious confessions of the Jews. Is that right?

A. Yes.

Q. You submitted to Berlin the question whether the Karaims should be killed, and I understood you to say that the order you got from Berlin was you shall not kill them for they have nothing in common with the Jews except the confession?

A. Yes.

Q. Will you explain to the Court, please, what difference there was between the Karaims and the Krimchaks, except Jewish blood ?

A. I understand your question completely in reference to the eastern Jews, in the case of the Jews who were found in the eastern campaign. These Jews were to be killed-according to the order-for the reason that they were considered carriers of bolshevism, and, therefore, considered as endangering the security of the German Reich. This concerned the Jews who were found in Russia, and it was not known to me that the Jews in all of Europe were being killed, but on the contrary I knew that down to my dismissal these Jews were not killed, but it was attempted at all costs to get them to emigrate. The fact that the Karaims were not killed showed that the charge of the prosecution that persons were persecuted for their religion is not correct, for the Karaims had that Jewish religion, but they could not be killed because they did not belong to the Jewish race.

Q. I think, Witness, you answered exactly what I had antici-

*Sect which refused the Talmud and adopted the Old Testament as sole source of faith.
**Turkish Jews of mixed Semitic and Tartaric blood.

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pated in the last sentence, "They did not belong to the JewishRace," is that right?

A. Yes, That is right.

Q. They were found in Russia?

A. Yes.

Q. But they participated in the Jewish confession in Russia?

A. The Karaims had the Jewish faith, yes.

Q. But your race authorities in Berlin could find no trace of Jewish blood in them?

A. Yes.

Q. So they came absolutely under the Fuehrer Decree or the Streckenbach Order to kill all Jews?

A. Yes.

Q. Because of blood?

A. Because they were of Jewish origin. For you must understand the Nazi ideology, as you call it. It was the opinion of the Fuehrer that in Russia and in bolshevism, the representatives of this blood showed themselves especially suitable for this idea, therefore, the carriers of this blood became especially suitable representatives of the bolshevism. That is not on account of their faith, or their religion, but because of their human make-up and character.

Q. And because of their blood, right?

A. I cannot express it any more definitely than I stated, from their nature and their characteristics. Their blood, of course, has something to do with it, according to National Socialist ideology.

Q. Let's see, if I can understand it; we've got a lot of time, I hope. What was the distinction except blood?

A. Between whom?

B. Between the Karaims and the Krimchaks?

A. The difference of the blood, yes.

Q. Only the difference in blood, is that so?

A. Yes.

Q. So the criterion and the test which you applied in your slaughter was blood?

A. The criteria which I used were the orders which I got, and it has not been doubted during the entire trial, that in this
Fuehrer Order the Jews were designated as the ones who belonged to that circle in Russia and who were to be killed.

Q. Tell us how orders that you operated under in 1941 in Russia differed from the order which controlled killing of Jews in Poland in 1939 ?

A. In Poland individual actions had been ordered, while in Russia, during the entire time of the commitment, the killing of all Jews had been ordered. Special actions in Poland had been ordered, whose contents I do not know in detail.

COL. AMEN: Were all victims, including the men, women, and children executed in the same manner?

OHLENDORF: Until the spring of 1942, yes. Then an order came from Himmler that in the future women and children were to be killed only in gas vans.

COL. AMEN: How had women and children been killed previously?

OHLENDORF: In the same was as the men - by shooting.

COL. POKROVSKY: You said that mostly women and children were executed in these vans. For what reason?

OHLENDORF: That was a special order from Himmler to the effect that women and children were not to be exposed to the mental strain of the executions; and thus the men of the kommandos, mostly married men, should not be compelled to aim at women and children.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): In your testimony you said that the Einsatz group had the object of annihilating the Jews and the commissars, is that correct?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): And in what category did you consider the children? For what reason were the children massacred?

OHLENDORF: The order was that the Jewish population should be totally exterminated.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Including the children?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Were all the Jewish children murdered?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/Einsatz2c.htm
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/Ohlentestimony.html

You have been shown the report from SS Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler to Fuhrer Adolf Hitler entitled "Report to the Führer on Combating Partisans", stating that 363,211 Jews had been killed by Einsatzgruppen in August&#8211;November 1942.



You have been shown the Höfle Telegrams sent by SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Höfle on January 11, 1943 to SS-Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann in Berlin and SS Obersturmbannführer Franz Heimdetailing in Cracow detailing the number of deaths of Jews in the concentration camps.



You have been shown the Korherr Report written by chief inspector of the statistical bureau of the SS, Dr Richard Korherr outlining the population drop of European Jewry (4 million not including substantial portions of Eastern European Jewry and Jews within occupied Soviet Russia) from 1937 to December 1942.

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.o rg/holoprelude/korherr.html

And now you have been shown the searchable database of over 4.2 million names and back stories of Jewish victims of the Shoah compiled by Yad Vashem.

http://db.yadvashem.org/names/search.html?language=en

It wasn't just a person it was a nation under a cult of personality, it is a very dangerous thing, we have seen it occur all over the world among very diverse political structures, Stalin in the Soviet Union, Mao in Red China, Pol Pot in Cambodia, Saddam in Iraq, Ataturk in Turkey, and the list goes on.

Zundel was allowed to provide evidence and Hilberg blew the thoroughly debunked pseudoscientific Leuchter Report produced by a man who admitted to having absolutely no scientific qualifications to conduct such an investigation, out of the water.

Hitler was not dually appointed he was appointed by Hindenburg, the Nazi's only garnered a 33% vote, not a majority, and did not gain a majority until after the Reichstag Fire Decree resulting of the banning of all opposition parties:

Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State

On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:

§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree

 

I have neither the time nor the patience to go through all of your links(and as noted above, this isn't even the thread of it) Seriously, did you have nothing better on your mind then trying to overwhelm me with this huge post of spam, thinking I'd just say "Okay, it exists".

Firstly, on the part of the peace proposals:
Wikipedia is not a good source(I gave you a more credible one if you bothered reading), it states that the proposals were "vague", they weren't vague. They were open to interpretation, ironically in the favor of the Western Powers. I guess they didn't know a good favor when it hit them.

On Poland:
Even if you believe in the whole "Hitler wanted to exterminate all the Jews" nonsense, give him and his government a LITTLE more credit than that. A mere attack on a Radio station did not orchestrate the mobilization of the German Army.

http://www.thefuhrerbunker.com/WWII.htm

Funny how the Polish massacre gets swept away in history. Nope, the Germans were all Nazis, can't have sympathy for them

Also the German Government was in direct negotiations with the British over the Polish Problem. Poland responded....by not responding.(In Hitler's words, for 2 whole days). Would I have waited longer, especially in light of pre-20th century communication technology? Of course. But given the fact that a international government mobilizes its troops, kills your own civilians in their land and I can see how Hitler didn't quite have patience.

Czechoslovakia was indeed a violation, but as I said earlier, it's not as much of a power play as one might think. If he deemed the situation in Czechoslovakia to be as dire as others did, perhaps he thought it needed to be regulated. In which case, such a regulation could be possible and in fact he called for it on his own country nevertheless lol. No doubt a similar solution to the Czech problem would have been accepted by the Administration.

Oh and speaking of Poland, why didn't the Western Allies invade Russia on it? The Allies to me, were the ones moving the goal posts and not doing anything substantial for peace in Europe.

Now, on the "Holohoax" Evidence:

Do you even read your own sources?

http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/wansee-transcript.html This link for example doesn't utter insofar as a single word promoting the extermination of, or even the desire to exterminate the Jewish People.

In fact, it states among the first paragraphs that relocation(which is the ENTIRE subject of the entire report) is pretty much the only solution.

The "secondary" solutions that were outlined was a move to the East, or Ghettoized areas or forced sterilization. We can assume that this was the Final Solution.

It makes Germany no different than modern day Communist China which engages in forced sterilizations of their own people..

Further, because of the blasphemy that is Nuremberg, no historian of real importance is going to give it any weight. For example, now the claim is that the killings took place outside of the camps themselves? Plausible, but why the camps in the first place? It seems a bit absurd to go all that way to "gas" all of these bodies, only to execute them outside of the camp.

Secondly, I'd note how most of this is done by Himmler(assuming we even permit these documents as being legitimate, instead of Allied forgeries). Towards the end of the WWII, it was clear how Himmler had usurped German Power, and it might not have been Hitler's desire or even wish. Especially given his beliefs in modern day warfare



Then there's simply the fact that it just didn't happen.

But I did my part, playing around in the massive spam trying to be historian to a lie. There are other people for that.

 

Well, if you're gonna note it about someone else, be prepared to have the same said of you.