The Shutdown Is Over-Rated

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  1. Taxcutter

    Taxcutter New Member

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    It didn't slow down the regulatory juggernaut.

    This morning the Federal Register had 500 pages of new regulatory action.

    How did the republic get by for 224 years without those 500 pages of regs?
     
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    I think about two or three months of shut down would go a long way of weaning us off government.
     
  3. exotix

    exotix New Member Past Donor

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    Faux calls it a *slimdown or slowdown* .... on the morning Shmucko ... Crystal sat there all stupid as usual as 30 cancer kids were forced out of a child-cancer facility ...

    I think conservatives need to be forced to tour govt. facilities that are shutdown ... much like the allies did to the german populace when extermination camps were discovered ...
     
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    I think the House needs to play hardball now, send Obama a deal to lower the debt ceiling, see if he's willing to negotiate.
     
  5. Taxcutter

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    Who is ginning up all these regulations? Why were they not laid off?
     
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    They will I hope. He is not.
     
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    Rarely are regulations discarded; government either modifies them or generates new ones. That's the way bureaucracy works (often true in the private sector as well, except the rules aren't as legally binding).
     
  8. exotix

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    That's nice ... the Dems won't even negotiate with the conservatives to reopen certain parts of the government ... hilarious watching the neo-nazis scrounge for scraps.
     
  9. Shiva_TD

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    It should be noted that those regulations were already complete and when the federal workers were sent to work yesterday for four hours to "shut down" their offices they published them. That's all that happened. Then the workers were sent home effectively losing their jobs.

    So 800,000 people all losing their means of supporting their families on one day, the greatest job loss in a single day in American history, is somehow "over-rated" by those that are concerned. Seriously?

    In the days to come we're also likely to see about 500,000 government contractor jobs for the US military to be lost as they weren't covered by the continuing resolution to fund the military. That should be a major concern. Since the heavy "privatization" of the US military under the Bush Administration the US military can't even function without these civilian contractors.

    The actual costs to the US economy, if the shutdown lasts for any amount of time, are far greater that the entire cost of "Obamacare" for 2014 but we shouldn't be concerned about that? Seriously?

    And we know the cause and who's to blame. House Republicans need get together with the 200 Democrats in the House and work out a bi-partisan budget or continuing resolution. Even if the 50 "Tea Party Republicans" in the House object if just 1/2 of the Democrats in the House (i.e. 100 Democrats) agree to a continuing resolution then it will pass in the House and we know it will be acceptable in the Senate. That's all that's required but House Republicans refuse to engage House Democrats in finding a solution.

    This isn't a problem between the Senate and the House but instead it's a problem within the House of Representatives itself. A bi-partisan House resolution to fund the government will be accepted and approved in the Senate and everyone with an IQ of 80 or above knows that.
     
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    "The Shutdown is a good thing......I blame Obama for causing it!!!!"---doublethink Rightwing bloggers

    :)
     
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    The longer the shut down and the more examples come to light of how the average person is going to get screwed under Obamacare the less the LIBs chance of ramming down a Socialist program down our throats.
    That's why the LIB/Socialist media are screaming their collect heads off right now.
    Like Pelosi said "Just pass the bill and we'll show you what's in when we have had time to read it ourselves".
    It's like some one asking the Granny for 10K and saying: "Just give me the money and I'll tell you later why I need it".
     
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    So is the debt ceiling. I hope they don't raise it. The federal government pulls in enough revenue on a monthly basis to service our debt. A default will not happen.
     
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    Learning about all the "non-essential" Federal employees on the public teat. PERMANENT FURLOUGHS appear to be in order...
     
  14. Gorn Captain

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    A lot of them are in the Pentagon and intelligence agencies, so the question becomes...

    Why, Grok, why do you want the terrorists to win and why do you hate the military?!?!?

    :)
     
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    But they might have to start cutting their giveaways here at home and abroad. Time to stop playing candyman to the world and non citizens here at home. Lots to be saved.
     
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    Problem is, now that the tea party jihadists realize that they shot the wrong hostages ... they've now been in emergency session trying to save the ones they deem *essential* ... and now can't get thier own to get the votes to save them ...

    All I see are Jesse Pinkmans ...


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    It isn't even a shut down. "Shut Down" means all power turned off. All we have here are nonessential personnel being sent home. So, the question remains, how did we get 800,000 non essential people on the government payroll in the first place?

    I have no pity for those who were sent home any more than they have pity for me for the taking of my hard earned tax dollar to fund their nonessential job.
     
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    Bingo.
    It's part of the problem today. Lets bump the debt ceiling to cover it.
     
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    So is the reason you made this suggestion because you have no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing clue how the debt ceiling works?
     
  20. Piscivorous

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    Only 18% of the government is shut down. I'm sorry that 18% is feeling the pain the real 22% of the private sector unemployed is still feeling 5 years after the start of the recession. Maybe they might start to realize that the government that employs them really doesn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about them.

    I wonder if the military academies are playing football this weekend. :D
     
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    We really need a sunset legislation amendment. That will keep Congress busy for a decade and force them to only consider new legislation if it is really necessary. I'd be happy to give them a one-time 10% bonus that they can split amongst all members equal to how much is saved in a year for each piece of legislation they cut.
     
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    Yes. 800,000 non-essential jobs wee furloughed. My question is, if they are non-essential, why do they exist in the first place?
     
  23. exotix

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    I thought it was quite cool when Cruz photo-op'd with some WWII Vets telling them it was Obamas' fault that the U.S.S. Arizona Memorial was now losing $50,000 a day.
     
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    The shut down is overrated ?!?

    But... haven't you seen the talking points lists that cover all the dozens of ways the country will be ruined ??

    The left wouldn't lie and exaggerate... would they ?
     
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    Depends on how long it last. The last one in 1995-96 cost a couple billion, but it lasted three weeks aprox. No drastic savings from payroll because most workers are exempt.

    So 1 to 3 hundred million dollars a day lost maybe. Loss of international confidence, which effects our markets, could be even worse for us.

    http://blogs.marketwatch.com/capitolreport/2013/10/01/cost-of-government-shutdown-hard-to-pin-down/


    The shutdown does nothing to stop the health care act either, except as a sort of weird ransom demand.
     

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