Stop 'pinkwashing' our nations.

Except it's not.

 

Do you really believe that they "system" is fair? (I surely don't.)

 

You're correct.

 

Show me all the persecuted homosexuals because of 'the system'.



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What 'system'?

What is 'fair'?

 

Oh I see. Okay, II should have realized you wanted to live in make believe land. If that's the case, you have insulated yourself from things that make sense and trying to convince you otherwise is a futile endeavor. I should have known better in the first place, being somewhat familiar with your posts and all the delusions you labor under, but I figured what the heck, maybe he just hadn't considered it.

 

Where are all these persecuted homosexuals?

 

I think the greatest line in the entry of "Violence Against LGBT People" entry in Wikipedia is this one:

Anything else you want to ignore?

 

Then the LGBT 'movement' should go to those counties and protest.

There is nothing for them to 'protest' about here.

 

Hseiken-
So you've listed all of these places where the majority of America's inhabitants will never

go. What's the point? I daresay that gun owners face greater global "persecution" than

that, though our number here in America is more like 30%+.
You tell me to imagine that I'm walking down the street, holding hands with my wife, and

encounter 95% disapproval. Been there. She was black, and we were living in Provo,

Utah. At one point, we were stopped by cops with drawn shotguns, who could not find

an explanation for why they had stopped us. That's life in the world, and it is NOT for

the world to adjust to your presence, or mine.
IMO, what it all comes down to is that each of us are at different points in our path as we

go about the task of figuring this life out. There was one guy I had in the cab awhile

back who I found to be utterly repulsive. He was in his mid 50's. He had several hickies

on the back of his neck. During the whole course of the ride, I had to endure his praise

of his "husband". I met my end of the deal, and just (barely) tolerated him until we

reached his destination. What a mess.
Another time, I had a pair of young guys who were obviously gay, and obviously

completely engaged in their relationship. They struck me as being cute, in an odd way.

They were totally oblivious to other peoples' opinions of them, and expressed no

judgement of anything outside of their relationship. They struck me as being at peace

with their circumstances, to the point where I felt "on their side", as for my part in

facilitating them in the pursuit of their course through life.
That is the whole point. It is for every man to work out his own salvation, and there is

NO OTHER reason for being in the world. As long as the path of another does no harm,

I have no problem with it. You have your cross to bear, and the various pitfalls that you

have to climb out of. I have mine.
Where Jack wants us to stop painting the world pink, I believe that all he asks is that

each of us keep from trying to lay their own cross onto mine, and work their own way

through their own dilemmas. That's fair. What's to discuss?

 

UK pub machine calls Peter Tatchell a 'poof'
A pub-goer was shocked when she discovered a homophobic slur on a quiz machine.

Victoria Thompson, from Northumberland in England, went to her local Wetherspoons in Bedlington to play on a Gamestec quiz machine last weekend.

She and her friends went on to play 'Pints Make Prizes', an anagram game designed by Games Warehouse.

Giving the clue 'A LITTLE BIT POOFY', the letters appearong on the screen were P_T_R T_ _ _ H _ L L.

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/uk-pub-machine-calls-peter-tatchell-poof011013


I'm also shocked.

It should have been paedophile, not 'poof'.

"The positive nature of some child-adult sexual relationships is not confined to non-Western cultures. Several of my friends – gay and straight, male and female – had sex with adults from the ages of nine to 13. None feel they were abused. All say it was their conscious choice and gave them great joy."

http://monsterinthewardrobe.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/peter-tatchell-paedophile-apologist-you.html

 

Did you ever hear about parental control? If you don't want your kids watching it then don't let them.

 

Everywhere that either religious or secular law treats them differently than they do heterosexual people. In the United States, discrimination in the law is obvious in the many benefits not extended to same-sex couples that are extended to traditional couples when there is no basis for that limitation. Both same-sex and opposite-sex couples are perfectly able to raise children. Since the state does not make the slightest attempt to verify in any way whether or not traditional couples plan to or are even capable of having children, using procreation as the basis for that discrimination just doesn't hold up now that western society has matured to the point that it has started shedding that ingrained aversion to homosexuality, something largely born of religious intolerance.

In other countries, homosexuals face far worse consequences if they are discovered. Pretending there is no persecution or discrimination is 100% dishonest and it reeks of a subjective discomfort against homosexuality that you're confusing with objectivity.

 

I posted an example earlier. Evidently that wasn't good enough for you.

 

Nonsense.

 

I sort of half agree here. Not that gays or anybody else needs to be shut up about anything. I love free speech, and I think robust honest debates are good for society.

Where I agree is that victim mentality always finds new ways to be offended. Women (I am one btw) tend to not want to be treated like sexual objects ... until they decide they want to be sexual objects. So it's like "see how great a person I am, stop treating me like an object", and when that starts to work that way they insist on being seen as sexy. It's the same thing with virtually any minority advocacy group -- they justify their continued existence by finding or creating discrimination. If they ever "won" and ever got everything they want, they'd be out of a job. If gays ever "won" meaning being gay was no different than being straight, there's no reason to have GLBTA agitators fighting discrimination. If blacks ever "won" and were equal, you'd have no reason for the NAACP. Go down the list -- every minority group has an organization, every one of those organizations are making their community organizers very wealthy and raising millions of dollars to spend on advertising and advocacy. No one in those organizations is going to declare victory -- it would end a very large gravy train employing thousands of people.

 

But the laws of other countries have nothing to do with you.

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Why?

What do they want to protest and whinge about now?

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Never saw it.

The fact is that homosexuals are not persecuted in this country, they are fettered.

 

Another abomination that I suppose we all have to love and blow kisses at?

 

Spot on.

All of it.

 

I asked on the Gay Rights Forum, what the antipathetic-to-gay-rights folks thought would be the status of same-sex marriage in 20 years.....


NOT ONE thought it would "stalled" or "reversed". They all basically admitted they were fighting a losing war.

WHEN did they start losing it? A good marker would have been when, out of partisan loyalty to the Republican Party, they said NOTHING about the fact that Dick Cheney's daughter was an open lesbian (who eventually married her girlfriend and had children).

Once they showed their "moral outrage" could be bought off with a Republican Vice-Presidency....they showed it was paper-thin.

Then when they had guys like QUADRUPLE-married Rush Limbaugh or TRIPLE-married Newt Gingrich come out as "defenders of traditioal marriage"?....that was the ball game.

They lose.

 

If gays are American citizens (and they certainly are), then they have EVERY RIGHT to speak up and have their grievances addressed (just as all other Americans do).

 

I'd like to say that in my view, my biggest issue with the lgtbqwhatever movement is that they're probably more countra-productive now adays. Who are the people that you want to persuade to get accepted? The moderate majority. Do you achieve that by being as provokative as possible? No, you don't. Not at all, you do in fact turn people who actually are sympathetic to your goals (your stated goals anyways) and pushes them further away from your position. Not because they're homophobes mind you, but because they simply don't like silly (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s dancing around naked, parading through the mainstreet and doing obscene things. They'd regard ANY movement that did things like that to be immature attention whores, which would in turn discredit whatever they were fighting for no matter how valid it is. This is what has happened to me. I'm all for equal rights for homosexuals, but I (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) hate this pride parade of freaks that keeps returning. And perhaps the same true for jack.

Also, for you americo-centrics.. How is the lgtbq movement justified in sweden? We have gay marriage, so what's wrong now? Hell, we're probably the country that has taken crazy gay rights and queer theory furthest, so why are the lgtbq people still here? Don't they want equality? seems not.

 

And that has nothing to do with my answer. You asked where homosexuals are persecuted. If English laws treat same-sex couples differently, than they are persecuted in your country too.

 

Not at all. You don't have to love or kiss anything you don't want to. You just don't get to use the law to stop other people from engaging in actions that don't directly involve you personally without your consent and don't harm others. Same-sex marriage and same-sex parenting fall under that category.

 

They can glide down the aisle as husband + husband all they wish, but let's be honest, the states and countries that allow it just do so to keep them quiet(er). No one really takes a husband and husband seriously as a marriage. It's like with transsexuals and all the non science guff about 'being trapped inside a women's body'.

It's just a cliché. There is no evidence to support being 'trapped' in this way. Its a state of mind for sure. But in the end, the law relented and legally recognised them as 'women'. In reality though, it is just to keep them quiet and give the authorities and easy life. No one I know would consider dating a post op trans, and I most certainly do not regard a post op trans as a women, but as a man who surgery and pills have deformed into the loose image of a women.

But if it makes them happy to believe their own delusions....

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I can think of few things less natural than for any poor child to be raised with two 'dads' or two 'mums'.

 

Right. So why the heck should we lose any sleep over potential homosexuals in Uganda?

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What are they whining ABOUT though, or is it just a general attention seeking whine?

To keep the dollars coming...