Now that the shot driver is confirmed African female, will we get the same Treyvon...

American mental heath care at the sharp end?

 

Sure, as long as they just tried forcible entry to the White House, hit an officer and are fleeing the scene. I would say it is reasonable to make that decision.

Is there anything she could have done while unarmed that would justify the officers shooting her?

 

Yes, because intentional barricade crashing is frequently done for the fun of it.

As I said before, you can try to justify her intent was to try to kill a cop, or that she didn't care if a cop was hurt, maimed or killed by her actions, or that she was simply scared and trying to run away. The entire point is YOU DON'T KNOW HER INTENTIONS and based on her ACTIONS the only reasonable conclusion you can draw at the moment of the incident is that she had NO regard for the officer's lives and it doesn't make sense to think she would suddenly have regard for anyone elses' in the next 2 minutes, driving recklessly and at high speed down a city road.

I'll also go as far to say that had they let her just continue and she in fact did run over and kill someone else, you and people like you would be on here bashing the crap out of the police for doing such a crappy job....

 

Wow. So I'm reading the NYTimes article on the incident, and the first few paragraphs don't help my arguments here much. For example, it says she "ran over" an officer, going as far to say he was flipped over and ended up in a gutter. Man, that sounds awful. Thank God he's ok, right?

Then this:

What occurred next was not clear. Ms. Carey managed to get out of the car, and was shot by several officers. According to a law enforcement official, she was not armed, and it was not known whether she presented an immediate danger.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/04/us/gunfire-reported-outside-the-capitol.html?_r=0

Can I get one acknowledgement from the defenders of the police's action to answer this. The really critical moment, throughout all of this chaos, from beginning to end, was when the first officer fired the first shot. What was he thinking was a threat to him or anyone else at this point? Was it really her moving the car again?

 

What is all of this high value target crap? At the point she was shot, do you actually believe the president or any member of Congress was in danger? Have you visited the Capital? Good luck ramming that with your car. The White House, too, for that matter. She wasn't feared to be a car bomber. That's a ridiculous argument.

 

Logic, and following the facts aren't your strong suit are they?

They didn't shoot her because she hit the barricade. They didn't shoot her because she was speeding.

I'll let you try and figure out why they shot her.

Let us know when you figure it out.

 

The perp didn't actually shoot the cop, he just fired near him....

Same same, so you think unless a perp actually does grievous physical harm to, or actually kills a cop, they are never to shoot?

 

I've said fifteen times why they shot her. Number sixteen - they thought it was justified. It wasn't malicious on their part. That doesn't mean they didn't make a mistake. I believe they made a mistake, and that she wasn't trying to kill people, based on everything I've read, including the most dramatic accounts of the first officer being struck by her car.

 

Ridiculous? How can you say it is ridiculous to think she may be a terrorist? I will say this one more time...She rammed a barricade to try and forcibly gain entrance to the White House property, hit a secret service agent with her car while trying to flee, she was driving crazy through the streets of D.C. in the direction of capital hill after a failed attempt at the white house. What kind of warped logic would say it is ridiculous to think she may have a bomb????????? I am done trying to talk this over with you, you are unable or unwilling to see her as any threat at all after she did some pretty terrorist like things.

 

Yes, yes, we are all well aware of what you "think"...but you haven't presented any evidence to the contrary, only opinion.

Many here disagree with you based on facts.

How many more times are you going to repeat your opinion?

 

I noticed the same. While there are people from both parties calling the police wrong here, I get surprised when Conservatives don't seem to grasp reality.

The left, here, is an angry bunch that likes to argue.. but I'm a bit shocked at the couple from the right.

 

That will be the officer's testimony? That she could've had a bomb, because she rammed a barricade at the White House and ran over a Secret Service agent? That's why he shot her. That works for you?

 

This is what you gathered from the video showing the police chasing her in vehicles up to the barricade where they drew their guns ?

 

Well if the officers involved could have "read everything you have read" they might not have seen her as an immediate threat. Unfortunately they had no google news to go from, only the crazy attempt at entering the White House grounds and hitting a secret service agent while surrounded by agents with guns. A rational person with no ill intent is not going to ignore demands while surrounded by secret service and flee through the streets of D.C. End of story

 

First of all... you're using Canadian media as a source.

Mistake #2 is that the video shows they didn't just draw their weapons and fire.

They drew their weapons and it was after she then sped off dangerously that they fired at the vehicle.

 

Testimony? have you schedule an indictment for the officers already? How am I to know exactly what went through their minds, I am just presenting a reasonable possibility. You have yet to offer a reasonable train of thought for the officers. What were they supposed to think??????????????????????????????????????

 

My opinions are drawn from the facts. No different than anyone else's.

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It's called a police report. Someone has to write it. It's official testimony.

 

It's always the same, armchair quarterbacks have all the answers and they seem to have psychic abilities to "know" what the perp intended.

Me personally, I'm sad this woman had to die. I would have preferred it all to end peacefully, but I will not sit here and second guess those officers involved. Not because I think all cops should never be questioned, but based on the reports, the eyewitnesses, the video footage, the location and the current state of national security, I don't see how the cops did anything wrong. I guarantee you had this person been carrying a bomb, or had some other nefarious intentions and was able to carry them out these same cops would have been berated, if not outright fired for failing to stop her when they had the chance.

 

I'm not sure what your point is.

I don't see what difference it makes...

She speed off...

No blood, no broken bones, witnesses say she looked scared and confused...

Shoot her.

 

Then don't waste our bandwidth with a reply.

 

Actually, it is.

How convenient, you left off the part about hitting the cop(s) with her car.

I think you're disingenuous, at best..and possibly conspiracy theorist.

 

It is fkn crazy too.
I can't believe how often people will get so hell bent on calling the police out for doing something wrong when the actual circumstances called for it, as they sit there anally examining a Youtube video that has been replayed a million times.

Why do they all think the whole thing started when she hit the barricade ?

Why are they ignoring that a police chase brought her there ?

What caused the police chase in the first place ?

I'm sure they have the answers so maybe they can tell us what was happening before 0:06 in this video that had no less than 4 police cars chasing her ?

[video=youtube;LCLGnach_YQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCLGnach_YQ[/video]


ffs, the police saved an innocent child's life.

By all means... let's call them murderous killers.

 

Great question! What were they supposed to think? And the fact that you accentuated with so many question marks makes it even better and more enjoyable to answer. I'm sure someone will object to our armchair quarterbacking, but let's do it anyway.

I'm an officer in pursuit. Here's what I know. This is info we all know and agree on now. The black Infiniti has just tried to go through two barricades at the White House. It didn't make it through, but the driver did strike an officer with the car at that location. Next, she sped away, in the direction of the Capital. She went in a circle. An officer crashed his car. She kept going. She hit a barricade. She's stopped. Now me and several officers on foot move towards the car. I have my weapon drawn. Now, at this moment, why would I shoot? I don't see a gun. I see a baby. Hmm. Terrorist? I don't think I would've fired. I can't say for sure. This is a BS exercise in futility. But I can't understand why she was shot.

 

Again, you attempt to make fact something no one, not even you could possibly know during the event.

At the point she was shot, of course not, the threat was neutralized then and there, d'uh.

You really do struggle with logic, don't you?

I visit the capital every time I use the ATM.

 

Again...what would you expect the officers to think her intentions were when the only thing they had to go on was that she had rammed a barrier at the white house, hit a secret service agent with her car, and was fleeing through the streets of D.C. in the direction of capital hill? What were they supposed to think she was up to? Answer that or end our conversation.