Are we watching the destruction of another political party??? http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...que-of-bastard-kevin-rudd-20131016-2vmyn.html It hardly matters what you think of Roxon or what she said, the point is that she came out publically to chastise a current member of her party. As Gillard herself has also spoken in not to encouraging speeches herself, is this the beginning of the slow decay of the ALP from the inside??? The current reforms to the ALP selection critira would seem to be not only slow but also not conducive to party reform for the better of the party. This would be because to push through reforms many will need to be added to the selection ballot and when people generally do not understand the reform it would be voted down... Simply human nature. So Rudds party reforms may have done more damage than intended, and now with so many of its members attacking the party, will the party destroy itself from the inside???
Short answer is yes they are. They became self obsessed and with a bit of luck will disappear up their own ********s pretty soon. With a bit more luck they take some of the alp goon squad from this forum with them.
It's nothing to be overly excited about! It's what happens whenever there is a significant loss! Need more of the labor party spilling their guts about the truth of Rudd! It will bring perspective to the decisions made about him! He needs to go, the sooner the better for the country to be honest!
There has been more allegations about gillard too...and I was reading that BS now has a rape allegation to deal with.....yep imploding it is.
Could have have seriously elected anyone worse to lead the party than Shorten & pubes-suck? The two biggest back-stabbers in the political game...
Well we have the reaction from the person who considered instability of the party was a good thing... Seems the election showed this to be foolish... Now it is simply a readjustment. The point is that while this seems to be shaking up of the current, the problem is reforms introduced by Rudd in attempt to shore up his position, reform for the party is hampered by those reforms. The leadership election is clear demonstration that the so called faceless men still have sway and the fragmented ideals of the core party is not enough to carry their own vote. Now party members are out hunting for blood, Rudd being the main target of this time. Who then? Shorten would have been next but the party made the most instable member of their party demonstrated through the leadership spills as leader of the party. This member is the most outwardly spoken derisive member of the ALP parliament and they made him the leader with the goal of bringing the party back together... Something is not right here. How can one who aids in the creation of division suddenly be the person to stop division??? Something tells me that he will not last to the next election, but will we see the joke of the leader elections demonstrated since the election??? What happens if they want to change leader in the middle of a term in government? Does the government simply stop while they campaign??? Do they think the world will stop to wait until they have gotten their act together??? So many questions for the future of the ALP, now it turns out ALP members want to start throwing mud at themselves in a 'so called' good for the party...
I really don't think the majority of peope give two-hoots what happens within the ALP - most people are over their catty in-fighting. Most just want these clowns out of Government for a generation or two.
This one of the downsides of the majoritarian system of government - they're all constantly squabbling for power rather than getting down to governing. There's not any straightforward way to fix it. The Liberal Party has its own problems - Abbott is horribly unpopular, and eventually they're going to throw him out, either via election defeat or internal party politics. Turnbull is biding his time, waiting for the opportune moment to transform the Liberal party into something more congruent with its supposed ideals: freedom, personal responsibility, etc. I saw a video of him talking to a crowd of young adults where he said the LNP was the party of freedom, and they all started laughing, including Turnbull himself. Of course, he won't live up to these ideals, but neither will the ALP. At least he'll move the coalition in the right direction.
The labourist side of politics has always had a bit of a tendency to rumble since the beginning of Federation. This is nothing new. In fact it's quite mild when compared to historical events so nothing for anyone to get excited about.
I don't believe Australia has ever seen the vicious attacks against a former PM who was elected by their own party. I do not believe Australia has ever seen a former PM attempt to justify their stance AFTER an election defeat because which obviously was not supported by the predominant electorate. New party reforms seem to have simply slowed the implementation of leadership of the ALP. These seem to be new waters for the ALP and are in no way supporting anything about stability of the party. No, these events in no way compare the past events as even the former PM remains active in the parliamentary system.
The current events are minor, that was my point. This blue is about Rudd and the damage he inflicted on the parliamentary ALP and his behaviour during the period when he wasn't PM. It's very personal. It's also unedifying but Rudd has to be put in his place or he will do it again. Labor will not split on this, as it did when the DLP was formed, that was a far greater problem for the labourist side of politics than this current row. I think Labor is facing up to the fact that for some years it has endured tensions between the labourist aspect and the social democratic aspect of the organisation. The union movement, in internal political terms anyway, is taking a labourist approach. That is, it's focused on using politics to advance the interests of working people. The social democratic side is a bit of a mix between social liberals and social democratic types who favour a gradualist (Fabian) approach to the implementation of socialism. Okay I've used a pretty broad brush there, but my point is that there is natural tension between those major groupings in the Labor Party. The move to put more power back into the Branches and Sub-Branches was intended to support Rudd via the vehicle of populism. It's now put some, not a great deal, of power in the hands of the ordinary members which is causing tension with the labourist side and with the factional chiefs. My big problem with Labor is the careerism and managerialism of key people, regardless of faction. But that's an internal concern. Back to Rudd. They're burying him. When they've finished burying him they'll concrete the surface.
True, however that was the split of the party and not from the public vilification of the party. Rudd did great deal of damage to the party both in and out of the leadership role. The present fact is that the new reforms introduced to the ALP are far more detrimental to future reforms regardless of what they appear to be... Not to insult you (as that is not my intent) The Fabien aspect is complete BS, Labor might be facing the fact of the factions, but that is because the base ignores the aspect of business in promoting their own agenda. However, again future reforms are a problem now due to the example of the election of a new leader. These current reforms (I am sure) have disillusioned a considerable amount of people of the party that their vote counts for nothing, when given to them by the caucus. You problem with the ALP seems to be the same problem of many and yes an internal concern. However, with the Rudd reforms this becomes predominant in many people and will be demonstrated on public arena. Were these reforms good for the party??? That is still a question that needs answering because sitting on this side, it appears not. More reform is needed in my opinion, but obviously that is not popular in the party lines. And so they should, but remember this was a man that the ALP brought back. So any obfuscation on pretence of innocence by the ALP is complete BS.
The ALP are just up to their same old tricks. Everyone knows Shorten and Albanese were the Union factional faceless men that replaced Rudd with Gillard. Then when Gillard became unpopular, they replaced her with Rudd to save their own slimy skins. No one was surprised these pair of lowlife snakes were going to fight it out for the ALP leadership. Shorten and pubes-suck are as common as dog-shyte, and it’s a really sad day for Australia, when the Australian tax payers are forced to pay the wages of these disgusting individuals who they never voted for, to sit on the opposition benches in Parliament, and pretend they represent Australians. Does anyone else remember voting for Shorten or pubes-suck to represent them on the opposition bench in Federal Parliament? The people do remember voting for Rudd and Albanese in the 2013 election. The people also remember voting for Abbott and Bishop in the 2013 election. The “headless chickens” have to remember, they are NOT voting for the person in these two major parties, but they are voting for the inanimate political party.
Answer Yes ,as I have been writing about for 2 years now ,please note ,that even Nominal reference to the Trade unions , has gone ,with, Rudd's "democratisation" ,even though ALL his colleagues Hate his guts ,they all supported it ,even Roxon and Gillard ect . What hypocrites! No we are seeing the ALP ,transforming into a Dysfunctional Rump ,and the Working Class says good riddance to Class compromise, and the Party of Class betrayal . The 130 years of calling the ALP ,"a workers Party " as the "Lifestyle choicers " have taken it over . EG Wong and Co ,a Party now not of Social reform ,but Lobby group advocacy and Gay Issues. Middle class trash politics of the US type. I was talking to a "gay activist " the other day and he said " we need gay and lesbian Affirmative action in the Parliament as we are under-represented " ,bring on the revolution ,We are Australian NOT American Liberal Land. Decay and Implosion into an Unrepresentative Rump Dysfunctional and all so Middle class trash filled. PS ,The Party of the Australian Working Class is ,the Socialist Equality Party ! www.wsws.org http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/10/19/alab-o19.html
Of course not. Although probably 25-33% of ALP voters would switch to the Greens if they actually understood what the parties stood for, that won't happen until that percentage of people die and are replaced by new voters. Some of whom, imo, will go Greens and some will go Libs, Nats or whatever other flavour. But Labor is unlikely to let that happen because they'll just "re-invent" themselves rather than "die on their feet than live on their knees". It always happens with political parties. The Democrats and the Republicans are in some ways direct opposites to their peers of history. Until there is a popularly viable alternative, the ALP, no matter how bad they may be will not disappear.
Are you sure about that??? Now the greens are trying to score political points over the bushfires in NSW. Is there anything more disgusting and incredulous to actually attempt to score points of a crisis that is currently occurring??? People are still in unsafe situation and this type of disgusting politics simply demonstrates that these GREENS and ALP should get out of their Coogee Bay boutique coffee shops and actually find out what is happening in the real world to real people, before trying to score points of the back of people at their lowest time. Sure they pretend to know because their weekend retreat is threatened but their own roof and belongings are safe as houses down at the coastal palatial housing complex they live in… Comments by these politicians will not be forgotten and they will suffer for such. What a low life bunch of people... As has been demonstrated before, their claims made in the most disgusting time are further from the truth than reality and people WILL remember them... Nothing has set back the position of AGW theory than this type of action by these people, worldwide. I'll give you one thing here, there has never been more public scrutiny of these people, parties or actions than ever before. BUT the example is given by the previous parties and now the ALP seems to be in the throes of cutting out factional groups (or attempts too). However, this grubby fighting from both former and present members of the ALP government has done nothing to build confidence in the ALP machine. Without such factions within the ALP will it be able to build a party of relevance (which was the loss of previous parties)? Yes, that is true BUT will this simply mean that the Coalition will remain in government until the ALP wakes up to itself or a viable party comes along? So many complain about Americanism of Australia and complain that the Coalition is far closer to bring Australia into that realm. Isn't interesting that the ALP would bring leader elections that parallel the US presidential election process? The ALP needs reform and attacking factional influence to impress party members about the direction of the ALP will do nothing to assist...
The "faceless men" tag was a journalistic invention from the early 1960s. I don't know if it was accurate then but I know it's not accurate now. Nothing faceless about the ALP, the kingmakers are household names. But you won't see that in the Coalition, it's all done in the dark there. Despite the wishes of those who want the ALP to go away, it won't. It hasn't since it was set up. Sure it has had troubles, but nothing like the conservative side of party politics in Australia which has split, dissolved, blown-up, re-formed, gone bust, done deals, created alliances and had many name changes. Now we're seeing the true owners of the Coalition coming out of the shadows, Big Business is back in charge and they're writing the agenda. Suddenly debt is good. Poor old Joe H, hasn't a clue now he's in the driver's seat. But that doesn't matter, all he has to do is institute the agenda from Big Business and its lobbyist mouthpieces. Watch our workers, it's sliding down the hill at you. As for "politicisation" of the NSW bushfires. As Lenore Taylor pointed out in the Guardian (online Aus edition), it's "conservative political correctness" which is plainly censorship. Welcome to the future, this is what it's going to look like, and worse.
Little relevance but OK. The entire point is that it is publically attacking itself, but what ever floats your boat. Love the sour grapes thing... Actually there is no censorship, there is time and place for everything, in the middle of crisis is not one of them. These people (along with yourself) are showing exactly how much they consider other people, far below the level of your political agenda. Every time somebody uses these tactics in politics they show their own true selfish intent and not their supposed belief of people’s future. I cannot believe that people still try to claim they are doing things for the children of the world when they show they do not give a crap about the people and CHILDREN of the present… Hypocrisy at its lowest level… As stated this does nothing for these politicians, parties or agendas but let the spineless and thoughtless idiots show their colours, paybacks are a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)… Bit like telling a man in war that you told him he might be shot as he lays on his death bed... Irrelevant, disgusting actions to attempt to score points of people’s misery while it is happening. Defence and justification for such action is simply destroying credibility and is also disgusting. People do remember such things and make them pay. Only the stupidly ignorant would pretend this to be anything other than what it is. Also when people totally ignore the plight of others to make some political point on how they are thinking of the future... Seems to me that they are only thinking of themselves as they do not seem to have any empathy for people at all... As I stated before, these people would cut their own nose off to spite their face... Sorry to say, this one post demonstrates to me far more of you than I had originally thought, expect to be treated with the same contempt you demonstrate to the people who are in most need NOW. - - - Updated - - - I think you had better think about what you support and what it shows.
Oh I have, I support a country run by people who care about people not the bottom line. I think you had better think about what you support and what it shows.
Sour grapes/cognitive dissonance? Perhaps it is. I shall be watching Joe closely though, as, no doubt, so will others who are engaged with the process. If he does a good job then fine, kudos where due; but if not, then condemnation where due - not that it would be entirely down to Joe on either point, the policies of the Coalition Government are more to the point. Political points and exploitation. No, it's not exploitation to point out that what is happening now can be a foretaste of what may happen in the future. Your view differs, fair enough, but I'm careful about what I write and how I write it and I believe I can make a valid point without exploiting anyone. I simply hope that other people who dwell in bushfire-prone and flood-prone (to name just two natural disasters linked with climate change) are thinking about this.
Yes, you support people who care about others, let us look at that Here you support the scoring of political points over the lives of people because it sounds good? OR is it because it is your preferred party making them? So your support of such comments to justify political point scoring shows YOUR comment to be a blatant lie. Support of such demonstrates you only care about your political agenda. Do you believe the bottom line is served by people at risk of death??? While the comment you support, claim that the Coalition are using censorship not to comment on politics of a crisis at this time a "conservative political correctness" also shows you’re not interest in people, just YOUR politics. As stated there is a time and place for everything, during the crisis is not one of them. Coming from a person who lies simply to defend his own stupidity, I don't think much grey matter is being used.
Unfortunately, Australians are doomed to have the same two-ringed political circus of the ALP & LNP until the people decide they want something better than the same clowns running the country every three years. Who really gives a squirrels nut about whether the ALP is imploding. In a country governed by clowns, wouldn’t one less clown be a good thing.
Well I think we all are, At the moment we have nothing to go by. That in itself is an issue but after the election I am little disillusioned at Joe, he does not seem to be interested in addressing the issues that really matter, Welfare being one of them. Again justification for disgusting actions of others. Sorry, usually people wait until AFTER the event before trying to work out what caused it, what it holds for the future and what can be done to avoid it. ONLY insensitive people with a chip on their own shoulder would stand in front of people trying to stop the crisis and say "I TOLD YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN". Again these people often are found to be WRONG. Only people who are interested in their own personal agenda rather than the people around would consider these actions to be anything other than self-righteous BS. YOU have just exploited a crisis in current to make a political point, YOUR claim that you try not is crap. Thus the remainder of your comment is tainted by your stance AT THIS TIME.
