Satan has been around even before the time of Catholicism. The coming of Catholicism lead by Jesus Christ brought a head on clash between Satan and God we are their proxy army one on Satan's side the other on God's side. The Catholic church is being use as an excuse by evil to recruit Satan's followers. Yes, there were group who detested and started to teach the opposite teachings of the Catholic church if the Catholic church say thou shall not kill the other side say kill. If the Catholic church say we are all children of God the other side say no.
A Passion Play, Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ is only representative of Central Europe in the Middle ages. A time and a place on Christianity's twisted biography. Hardly reference worthy as a product of main stream or intellectual Christian thinking. End Point. BTW what's wrong with Satanism? I hear it pays better Seriously, does Satanism require any amoral activity in the 21st Century that could get you busted ? Moi
That is funny and I see it often. Theists, mainly christians, always want evidence of claims. And when asked of the same from them, it is absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. A bit hypocritical IMO.
Everyone is logical, in their own minds. Whether they should be or not, I don't think we have a choice. I think human nature requires us to be logical. Some are better than others at it.
I am a Catholic and as I have said "the Catholic church is being use as an excuse by evil to recruit Satan's followers" my statement is base on claims made by; Satan is very cunning that he will twist the teachings of the Catholic church, Satan will find ways and means to turn the people against the church and Satan will disguise itself in Christian cloak to spread lies and violence against Christians just like how Satan tried to tempt Jesus Christ by pretending to be friendly and concern of his welfare and Satan will use the church by spreading falsehood about the church in order to promote evil this is why the church has to stand firm and rebuke all the misinformation and distortions about Jesus Christ and the Catholic church. There are people out there that are spreading falsehood or claims about the church such as communism, communism is very much against the church in fact some of the well known anti Christians or anti Catholics of the 19th and 20th century are Lennin, Stalin, Mao, Kim Ill song of North Korea as well as Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, etc.: Voltaire, continually attacked the Catholic Church, both its leadership and priests, claiming that many of its clergy were morally corrupt. These assaults in part led to the suppression of the Jesuits, and played a major part in the wholesale attacks on the very existence of the Church during the French Revolution in the Reign of Terror and the program of dechristianization. Similar attacks on the Church occurred in Mexico and in Spain in the twentieth century.
So far in this forum alone atheist or anti Christians are the ones that kept on asking for evidence of claims from Christians. Christians have strong faith, atheist don't they want solid touchable and tangible proof. And when evidence are presented atheist reject everything even if it is base on facts.
If "satan" is so cunning-surely smarter than any person- how can you be sure he has not succeeded with you? Numerous among us have commented and complained about the falsehoods you spread. You accuse others of what you do.. If you dont know you are doing it, you will deny it; if you do know you are doing it, you will deny it. We are not fooled though, if anyone is, it is yourself. Any response you may have to this should be addressed to yourself. If there is a god such as the Christians envision, you cannot expect that god to be pleased.
No one can be so sure that is why we trust in God and pray and have strong faith. How about you how sure Satan has not succeeded in you? Yes, numerous of you have complain about me base on your own perception of your own truth trying to shut me down because I have succeeded in refuting all your distortions and lies about God and the Bible. Satan has many ways of inverting and reversing truth to make it his/her way and he /she will use anyone and anything to make it happen do not be deceived is all I can say to you and your buddies search deep into your soul and you will know clearly just how you have tried to distort the Bible and now you want to shut me down just like they went after Jesus, the Apostles, the Saints and thousands of Christians because they all profess the TRUTH and TRUTH will never die. I accus no one I only refute their distortions and lies, it is you who accuse me and others for daring to share the truth and refute your distortions maybe your mistakes or maybe your lies. I refuse to deny Christ, I refuse to deny the Bible and I refuse to accept your firm refusal to deny that you have been distorting the Bible you can lie about me but not about the Bible. Of course you are not fool by your own foolishness even after it has been expose and that is why me and others like me should keep on posting and refuting your lies and attacks it is the only way to preserve truth. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke) My response are to your lies and distortions about God and the Bible you can keep on focusing your attacks on me that is fine as long as I am succeeding in keeping you from lying and distorting about the Bible and God. my shield have succeeded in deflecting your attacks against God. since you do not believe in God you'll never know, I know that God is pleased by my action because I believe "God Wills It" That is one reason why communism failed and that is why the communist are now trying to control the Christian church by usurping the authority of the church in appointing their own unqualified bishops and priest to dilute and corrupt the Christian church with their own doctrines disguise as Christians.
Have you read the Satanic Bible? I have. There are basically two parts to it...the first half is mostly philosophy. The second part is all the magic crap. For the most part I would consider it benign. It really does not say what a lot of people would expect it to say. LeVey Satanists do not believe in a sentient higher power named Satan. They use "Satan" to refer to what is basically the "Dark side of the Force" (though I guess Lucas actually copied them, since the Satanic Bible predates Star Wars by quite a bit). They use "Satan" to refer to this force, but they do not consider it an actual entity. It is a lot more like Buddhism than Christianity, at least in structure. In modern times the word is used as an actual name for Lucifer, but that is not how it originated. LeVey Satanists use the word in it's original Hebrew meaning, not in the modern Christian meaning. In both Chrisrtianity and LeVey Satanism there is no being named Satan. "Satan" is a title, not a proper name. The name of the Christian Satan is Lucifer (or was before he fell anyway). "Satan" is a Hebrew word that merely means "adversary". Anyway, while they don't believe in a being named Satan, they do believe in magic. They believe that spells and rituals do work and can affect the real world in ways that they want. As an atheist it is all completely retarded IMO, but a lot of people believe it. I read the second half of the book out of curiosity, but it was actually quite boring to me. The first half was a lot more interesting. There were some LeVey Satanists that split off a long time ago that actually do believe in a being called Satan. I think they were called the Base of Set. They are mocked and ridiculed by LeVey Satanists as ignorant and crazy and stupid. They are more like the satanists that people think of.
I kind of thought you'd spend no time in reflecting on whether I might be right. Satan, should he exist, would make sure you dont.
I don't have to reflect too much because there is no might, only revealing truth that you are dead wrong about the Bible and God. Since you do not believe in God or Satan we got nothing to worry about that is why you are so obsess with me.
We need more of this type of discussion and information not the taikoo type. Could it be that Moses was also struggling with the Satanist groups within the Jews or Levites?
It means wallow in ignorance, superstition and falsehoods with him, never ever permit any challenge to be heard, let alone taken to heart.
Studied criminal psychology many years ago, specifically cases of serial killers(not mass murderers). There was something almost constant in all of them. However else the details of what they did would differ, in a great number of cases it was almost like they explained what they did as something that "fed" them, as if they were figuratively enhancing their own state of being through the destruction of life force itself. They may not have mentioned "satan" outright, or even had a special interest in that, but how they described it sounded very "satanic", as it were.
There you go again sabotaging a good thread is that all you can say are you done? Good now we (not including you of course) can proceed with truthful discussion but you can always freely intervene and post more of your spams. When Moses was leading the Hebrews out of Egypt some of Hebrews started to ill talk about Moses and God's plan that resulted with some of them building the golden calf and they started to worship it eventually it would seem that many of the Hebrews got caught up into it and started to worship the calf over God. Moses has been working hard to try to guide them to the promise land he gave up everything for the people and when things started to look difficult the people where quick to turn against him that is why I wonder if somehow among the Hebrews special the Levites who were supposed to be the guardian of God's words someone in their group was a Satanist and succeeded in tempting the Hebrews when they were at their weakest in the desert, hungry and thirsty? Almost same scenario when Jesus Christ was in the desert and Satan tried to tempt him with all kinds of nice earthly stuff.
Maybe not. But he is what people think about in the modern world when someone says "satanism"...in any search engine, his book is what comes up when you enter "satanic bible". https://www.google.com/search?q=sat...8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8 In fact, I am unaware of any other books even published that claim to be satanic bibles. "Good" relative to what? You'd have to know that before you could do it's opposite. There is no objective "good". Hitler thought he was "good". Many slave owners in Colonial America thought they were "good". So you'd have to pick a standard to become the opposite of.
LOL Satanism is just the unbridled exercise of sexual perversity in a society like we see in West today. That is so clear to the Muslims, who call America the Big Satan. 1) Id = Lucifer 2) Libido = Satan 3) Ego = Mammon 4) Anima = Devil 5) Self = Beelzebub 6) Superego = False Prophet 7) Harmony = False shepherd
Libido... Dominance, of and by the Libido, is the force behind behaviors can be seen in pornography, where the unbridled expression of Lust gradually leads to extreme behaviors, demanding ever more extreme conduct, like Snuff Films: (This picture of the Phallic Idol of Baal was uncovered in the Middle East and now is in the Jerusalem Museum.)
It's not hard. Example. No one needed to sit me down and tell me murdering a child and raping them was a "bad" thing. No one needed to educate me on this matter, nor did I need some mumbo jumbo professor to tell me. Nor did I need a religious man. You just KNOW. It is something that most imo, are born to know, since if were the norm it would be counter productive to the species. We are thinking and feeling beings, so we are aware those we hurt or help think and feel as well. - - - Updated - - - Yes, in almost every case there was a sexual motive, as well as an admission of overt use of porn. That is why I do not like it being pushed the way it is.
There have been cultures where both are acceptable. It is not objectively obvious that those things are evil. Sexual standards with children have been in the past what we today would consider unacceptable. You are assuming that all other people think and experience the world as you do. That is clearly not the case. Even you believe that is not the case...which is why you used the "most" qualifier in this sentence. All human culture is a war of ideologies. The one that you (we actually) agree with has been victorious over the centuries...so you take it for granted that everyone feels this way. But everyone has not always felt the same. "Our" version of good and evil is the current dominant ideology, because we and our ancestors destroyed or assimilated the people believing competing ideologies. Rape is obviously not necessarily counter productive to a species. In the animal world it is actually the norm. Even child rape. We even see this among the higher primates. If right and wrong were objectively obvious, there would only be one religion/ideology and everyone would belong to it.
