Is Chrfistianity against moral relavitism?

Pssst - see Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5.

I'd say it's pretty amusing to apply any morals at all to the Supreme Judge of the Universe Who doesn't have it in Him to sin, but I have no idea what that has to do with the topic.

No, because He knew none of those would-be executioners had been cleansed of their sins.

 

He told them that because Jesus knew their hearts and knew that they were sinners. That does not mean everyone commits sin.

Luke 1:5-6 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias of the division of Abijah. His wife was of the daughters of Aaron and her name was Elizabeth and they were both righteous before God, walking in ALL of the commandments and ordinances of the Lord and were blameless in his sight.

To claim you can't do it is simply false. With men it is impossible, with God all things are possible. Not only can you do it, but you are EXPECTED to do so. Matthew 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

 

You didn't answer my question.

 

If you are referring to myself, what I do is irrelevant. However, I have not committed sin in quite a long time. When I have committed sin, I REPENT of that sin which means I stop committing it. As we are instructed to do by Jesus Christ.

However, what I do is irrelevant. What is relevant are the doctrines of Jesus Christ. Jesus taught you clearly that you must stop committing sin. Even if I was the biggest sinner on the planet earth would not matter however.

If a murderer walks up to you and says "you shouldn't murder", he may be a hypocrite but he's still right. The only thing that matters is the doctrines of Jesus Christ and stopping sin is the central theme throughout his doctrine.

 

You have made it relevant.
You have said Christians don't sin. You have made it clear that you consider yourself a Christian.
You have set a very high bar for yourself on these boards to hold yourself accountable to. You didn't say they sin and then repent. You said they don't sin.
Paul describes the indwelt believer by these terms:
Peace, love, joy, patience, kindness, faithfulness, goodness, gentleness and self control.
You have asked to be judged by these markers of the true man of faith.
Good luck.

Here is what you said, in case you have forgotten.

"The bible explicitly states that a real Christian does not commit sin.

Moreover, why do you think Jesus came to call, not the righteous, but the sinners unto repentance? It's not because everybody sins... It is because the righteous have no need of repentance because the righteous do not sin."

By the way, Jesus was being sarcastic regarding the people that alleged that they were righteous, in this case the Pharisees. I wonder how he would react to your post.

 

The One True Scotsman, and we are honoured to have read his words.

All hail.

 

Well, if you cannot refute him, you may as well "hail" him.

 

He was refuted, and we haven't heard from him since.

 

You refuted nothing. If you commit sin and you die in that state of not being repentant of that sin (in other words you stop), you will by no means enter into heaven. A Christian does not commit sin. If they have commited a sin, they are expected to repent of that sin and NEVER commit it again. If you commit it again you are not Christian until you actually repent.

Jesus only died for those who would be willing to keep his commands. "For no man hath any greater love than this tha to lay down ones life for his friends. You are my friends IF you do what I have commanded you to."

But again this is irrelevant to the conversation at hand. Even if I were to tell you I sin on a daily basis that simply would make me a hypocrite but it says absolutely nothing to the original point.

Jesus is clear on his doctrine and he expects you to stop sinning. Jesus detested sin so much that he told you it's better to cut your hand off rather than to sin.

 

Do you know what hyperbole is, or are you that much of a literalist?
What did Jesus say his whole message boiled down to? Two rules, remember?
It isn't about doctrine.
It's about love.
You have laid down the gauntlet as to how you want to be judged.
Don't get angry when people take you up on it.

 

Okay let's break this down. What is a witness in a trial? It is someone who is testifying about another, isn't it? Now the Commandments are translated from the Greek, and the Greek word for witness is martyr. A martyred person is someone who has been accused. So what the commandment is saying is that you must not accuse someone falsely. Lying has nothing to do with bearing false witness unless you are saying something about them which is not true. Now do you understand?

 

Yes, lying is definitely related to saying something that is not true.
LOL!
Bearing false witness is just that simple. The nuances get dropped on it when people realize how hard it is to keep the commandment. They look to minimize it, make it smaller than it is.
That is not what is intended with these 10 big commandments. They are intended to be far reaching and overarching. Trying to make them squeezed down to bitesizes you can handle are not their intention.
Does anyone else find emoticons childish?

 

Everyone is a sinner because we have pride/ego. This is what keeps man away from God. In order to break through the barrier separating us from God, we must accept ourselves as sinners and repent. In other words, the Kingdom of God is not outside of us, it is within us.

 

Tell TheImmortal.

 

You can't simply claim something is not true because you don't like the implications of what it means. While Jesus Christ was not telling you to go around disfiguring yourself, he was exceedingly clear on his point. You must stop sinning AT ANY COST.

He was even asked explicitly, "Good teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?" Jesus answer had nothing to do with sacrifice or a belief that you hold or confession. His answer was clear. "If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

Now your assertion that Jesus spoke of two of the greatest commandments is true however I don't think you understand the implications of them. Jesus did not do away with the ten, in fact he made it MORE difficult to be obedient because the two commandments he provided are far more generalized and inclusive than just the 10. You CANNOT break one of the ten without breaking one of the two as well. But the two also include much more than the ten included.

He certainly did not do away with the ten when he discussed the two. In fact he included the ten and told us he expected even MORE from us which makes them even more difficult to sleep.

As Jesus told you, "Assuredly I say to you, whosoever commits sin is a slave of sin and a slave shall not abide in the kingdom forever but a son shall abide forever.

Make no mistake, if you die in a state of unrepentant sin, you will reap the same punishment as the atheist. In fact you are held to a higher level of accountability because you knew better and you did it anyway.

ETA: BTW it's not me who told you that you would be judged that way... God did.

 

The commandment in question reads: You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Ex 20:16, NASB

I emphasize the word "against" in this line to illustrate how this narrows the focus to a specific form of lying. This commandment forbids idle gossip, defamation and perjury intended to harm innocents.

 

So if we do that are wel still sinners?

 

"intended to harm" is another one of those phrases that when left open for interpretation would make the phrase ambiguous. What is meant by "harm". Is 'harm' limited to the physical condition of a person, or does the word 'harm' also include such things as 'financial', 'emotional'/'psychological', 'social', or even 'spiritual'?

 

the beautiful irony of these prideful creatures full of their own 'salvation'. saying things such as this with not the slightest notion that such ideas - no matter WHAT the source - are pretty much pure evil. backing it up with 'don't shoot the messenger' is just more evil. pride, violent satisfaction, and special pleading.

 

Do you believe that things which you say may not exist can hurt you? In other words, if you don't believe in the existence of God or gods, then why are you concerned about a futuristic condition that is based on that thing that you don't believe to exist? How can something that might not exist ever harm you?

 

dear literalist .... it's the sentiment I consider evil, not the actual threat (which is about as scary as being threatened by the FSM with eternal boiling in a saucepan of well salted water). like I said, no matter what the source, to embrace the idea that those who don't believe as you do deserve eternal torture is psychopathic.

 

I'm not sure what you're even referencing. Many of the things that I am expected to do, I don't want to do. I don't want to turn my cheek when someone punches me in the face. So to say that i'm being prideful or that it's my own salvation is absurd. These aren't doctrines that I made up. These were provided long before I was ever born.

Also... how can you claim those ideas are evil? Is it evil when your mother tells you not to touch the flame because it's hot and it will hurt you? Is it your mother's fault when you reach up there and touch the flame and you get burnt? If the fire is hot and the fire will hurt you then your mother would be remiss NOT to tell you about those things and the consequences for doing so.

Also, hypothetically... let's say I'm right and that there is a punishment for those who did not do what they were supposed to do. Wouldn't I have a responsibility to tell others about it? If I did not tell others about it, wouldn't I be at least partly responsible for when they ended up dealing with those consequences?

 

Well for the record, God has no intention of torturing you forever. Hell is simply and utterly destruction. When you are thrown into hell you are destroyed. There is no guy with red skin and a tail with a pitchfork stabbing you in the butt for all eternity. When you are thrown into hell you are simply and utterly destroyed.

Remember, Jesus told you the reward for being obedient is eternal life. The viewpoint of hell you are espousing indicates that you would have eternal life in hell as well... it might not be the most enjoyable experience but it is eternal life nonetheless. But this point of view is simply not true. Eternal life is reserved for those who did what they were expected to do.

Love God above all else and love your neighbor as Jesus loved you. Do this and you will receive eternal life. Do it not and you will cease to exist.

This is why I don't understand why people have such a problem with what God has done. God has taken you from nothingness and provided you with the opportunity to live forever. If you choose to do what he has told you to do, you will have eternal life. However, you have every opportunity to reject what he told you to do and if you do so, you will be destroyed and sent back to the nothingness from whence you came.

It's a win/win situation, what's the problem?

 

ok, I'll play. we're told not to touch flames because the flames are real, tangible, and very (*)(*)(*)(*)ing burny.

let's say you're right? that's pascal's wager, my friend. let's say I'M right and anyone who doesn't believe in the giant purple spider living in my linen closet will be slowly stung to death by tiny black ants - over and over again. is my reminding you of this, often, a kindness? or is it bloody-minded nutbaggery?

 

That's fine... you would have a responsibility to tell me if that was actually the case would you not?

And I'm not reminding you constantly. You're the one on a religious thread about Christianity talking about Christianity doctrine. What do you expect us to be talking about?