Former Pink Floyd frontman sparks fury by comparing Israelis to Nazis

Concentration camps in Israel? You don't say. Could you smell burning corpses as you drove by?

 

Not at all familiar with history are you? Not even a little bit.

 

I'm with you. These kinds of daft comparisons are counterproductive to the Palestinian cause.

 

It does not matter how hard the perpetrators of genocide try to wipe out their victims, it never works.

Listening to a recent statistic about the US, just recently the numbers of nonwhite babies are annually exceeding white babies born.

THAT Arc of Justice tends to always swing back towards justice over time.

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I simply do not buy into those lies you embrace.

 

In fairness to Recovering Conservative, he may have just been talking about his feeling for the wall and been a bit sloppy in his speech.

 

Sounds like justification for ignorance.

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I wonder why anyone would negotiate with someone committed to their destruction? What would their motivation be?

 

You choose to be ignorant, it is all your very own choice. I guess all that is left for you is try to excuse it.

Motive for diplomacy is some choose God's way, that is peace, and the warmongers reject it.

 

Perhaps you can explain your version of history without all the childish hyperbole. I doubt it, but you should give it a try anyway.

 

Comparing Israel's actions to the nazis, that's the bashing part. And like someone else previously said, Roger Waters has awhole lot of catchup to do, couse there's plenty of other countries with a track record, similar or close to the nazis.

But since only Israel's on the spotlight, for defending itself (in questionable ways) and since it has the support of ol evil US of A, it makes a nice target for whoever wishes to show how a great humanitarian one is.

 

I think Walter's intentions are noble but his hyperbole undermines the worthy cause he espouses.

 

Sounds exactly like Nazi concentration camps doesn't it. You know what else is exactly the same? Redwood trees and broccoli, because they're both plants. Or how about diamonds and granite, they're both rocks. German Shepherds and elephants are so much alike too because they both walk on all fours.

 

With Nazi Hitler we had Occupation and genocide, with Zionist Israel we have Occupation and genocide.

I believe the deaths in the former have been overstated, and the deaths in the latter have been understated.

But whatever the relative deaths are to one another, in numbers, the essential character of what is happening is identical, the same, Occupation and genocide.

It is not that complicated to understand and see, the similarities that Roger Waters and myself and others speak about.

And this does not address all the similarities, just a simplistic comparison.

With Occupations come certain things, I find myself thinking about an Iraqi who was interviewed when the US occupied Iraq, he spoke of being made to feel unworthy and ashamed and as if his life had no value. He once had been proud to be an Iraqi. Occupiers make those they occupy feel this way. They humiliate them, make children feel worthless, unloved, as if their lives had no value or worth. They are treated as if they are all children of a lesser God, inferior to all of the Occupier's people. When I look at this, its the Occupier who I see as sitting always sitting on that hill of shame, they are the shameful ones to me.

 

I understand your passion and commitment. But I cannot agree that comparisons can be made to the Nazi Holocaust in which approximately 6 million Jews were systematically exterminated in an industrialized manner. There is no comparison in history.

 

Seeing one incident alone in History as different from all others simply operates to excuse anything less and/or different than this.

And I have read as many nonJews were killed by Hitler too.

What about those lost lives?

And I have read more then 6 million Russians died in World War II.

What about those lost lives?

Do these other lives lost not matter or mean less?

And when I say the numbers of Palestinians killed, the numbers are understated, I refer to the fact we have over 70 years of killing of Palestinians in Palestine, and there is direct and indirect killing, and these deaths are not fully accounted for.

As far as indirect killings, I refer to acts of collective punishment that cause health issues and a higher death rate, these are deaths caused by the Occupation too. UNICEF used to address these figures in their reports, deaths to children, at about 5000 a year. But they only addressed child deaths and that was a particular point in time, as well.

A crime does not cease to be a crime because it is viewed as less serious then one particular prior crime, the Jewish Holocaust.

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Acts that result in deliberate deaths, in Bandustans growing smaller and smaller in size every day that Israel pushes the indigenous Palestinian people into, yes it sounds exactly like Nazi concentration camps.

And my reply was to a list of dead gassed by Israel in these Bandustans.

Are any of those I listed as killed any less dead because you deem their deaths lacking?

 

I think HE thought he was.

 

Problem with Waters is he's only reaching the already-converted. He ain't big at bar-mitzvahs.

 

Not an invalid comparison considering that many of its founding fathers (and mothers) had been Russian Bolsheviks before moving on to Palestine.

 

The fundamental difference between the other genocides you cited is that there was not a SYSTEMATIC attempt to literally exterminate entire groups of people as was the case with the Jews, Communists, trade unionists, gays, lesbians, disabled, Roma and any other 'undesirables'. As appalling as the situation is for the Palestinian people, and as repugnant as the IOF are, the one thing they are not are Nazis.

 

Indeed. I've always regarded Walter's as a pompous and sanctimonious prick, frankly.

 

......because being ashamed is just like being gassed and burned in a Nazi concentration camp.

 

I've never had beers with the guy but I think he is a great, great songwriter and showman.

 

His thinking is the result of the long term effects of taking massive doses of LSD over an extended period of time.

 

I think you might be forgetting one of the main reasons for Israeli statehood. That is, we didn't want Jews here. Neither did the Brits or Soviets. Truman, Churchill and Stalin - anti-semites all.

 

Same thing, making a human being feel like they are nothing.

And no Iraqi has likely lived through the US Occupation without seeing family or friends killed by that Occupation.


Why do the over 1 million dead in Iraq, why do their lives not matter?

 

When discussion is about military crimes, for me is important opinion of military veteran. You can think different.

Do you really think, that to know what our soldiers say about I need get instructions from somebody in Scotland?