Many Americans feel economy isn't improving

Propaganda tells folks something is so, their life experiences either verify's or nullifies that "economic" news. Looks to me like no one's buying the Obamanomics tall tales of prosperity because they simply aren't living it. This is a situation that will only get exponentially worse as Obama Care fully implements and folks with employer sponsored coverages begin to lose them by the millions. The Democrats have 2 choices, 1) Press ahead with Obama Care and face losses comparable to the rout in 2010. Or, 2) Join the Republicans, repeal Obama Care and start over.

The real beauty of that will be when Obama Care gets dumped, it will leave the liberal states that optioned for expanded Medicaid holding the bag on how to pay for it. They will need to either hike property taxes through the roof (the poor medicaid recipient will be all for that, but not the taxpayers) or they'll need to dump the expanded Medicaid leaving the blue states politicians with a lose/lose situation.

 

i see interest rates are starting to creep up http://247wallst.com/investing/2013...rate-challenge-10-year-at-3-and-30-year-at-4/

 

The populace gets told by one propaganda outlet that the economy is booming, people are going back to work and it's all sunshine and lollipops from here on out.

Then another propaganda outlet tells the same viewers that we need to extend unemployment benefits because people can't find work.

It's about time the populace started calling it all bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

trucking tonnage freight up for the overall year but more is made in Mexico, china so theres is spending, but little or no real gdp gains
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ata-truck-tonnage-index-jumped-27-in-november-236738561.html

Detroits motor city went to mexico vivi Nwo

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/once-sleepy-mexican-town-becoming-new-motor-city-2D11603433

 

Who are you going to believe, obama or your own lying eyes ?

 

Many Americans didn't want Obamacare, but big government showed us! If they say the economy is booming then it IS, we just have to accept it is booming and once again lower our standards to match their fantasies...

 

I guess the Dow is a lousy indicator of the economy when its hitting record levels, but a very accurate economic barometer when its plunging.

I guess an unemployment rate below 7% is a measurement of the how bad things are.

I guess decreases in bankruptcy rates and foreclosure rates and stabilized house prices are warning beacons of the terrible fiscal times being experienced by all.

It just isn't good politics for the republicans to accept an improving economy at the federal level, especially since they did so very little to contribute to the improvement. Funny how they take credit at the state level for those few states doing better or solidily improving (most of which stongly benefitted by the stimulus but dont tell other republicans), and blame obamacare for all those states where their ideology hasn't worked out quite the way they promised.

 

Perception IS reality in many cases. Not enough people have really seen it yet and the economic mess has been going on for so long it'll take awhile to notice if an upswing really is happening.

 

The dow is up because the Fed. is funneling money into the economy through it.

Unemployment is down because the workfoece is shrinking even as the population is increasing. We now have the lowest labor paricipation rate on record.

The decreased rates of bankruptcy and forclosure are only decreases compared to the recent highs. They are still at record highs.

I blame the imposition of best intentions not the imposition of less-than-best intentions.

The difference between republicans and democrats is what they want to impose on others; that is why I am neither.

I am a devout advocate for the voluntary.

 

It won't get dumped, neither party wants to get rid of it, seriously both parties got a national ID program into place and have never eliminated a major government program since both parties want more government not less. They will do some fixes maybe that's all.

 

I've noticed with your posts you seem to always include a conjecture of a self-imposed wishlist of negative information that has nothing to do with the reality on the ground. If you pay attention to your post, the link suggests vast improvements to the economy, while giving more attention to the skepticism of the opinions of others.This is your desired narrative. Wishful thinking on your part to say the least. You see, it really is all about attitudes. A good attitude towards a growing economy means everything. Negativity only spawns more negativity. That is why the republican party and its followers are bad for the country. They only look for the bad. That is their desired outcome. But of course, the party hasn't fooled anyone on that.

 

Cassandra, facts are not propaganda.

 

The only differences of note between republicans and democrats is what they want to impose on others.

 

No other Government program has ever stirred the anger of more American voters. No one can fix stupid so it will eventually be thrown out.

 

If that were true the Democrats wouldn't be screaming over small cuts to food stamps and extending unemployment because they would be unnecessary.

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More wishful thinking. it doesn't matter really what you or I think, it matters what the majority of Americans think when they vote in Nov 2014. So far about 70% say your wrong. Sorry.

 

You do realize of course those 70% in that poll have been so brain washed from the negativity that you and others keep milking, it' no mystery they think the way they do.

 

Many Americans are wrong.

All indicators point to an improving economy.

 

I agree with you about your own post.

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Are the indicators registered to vote or is it the people?

 

I believe this is a repeat comment by you. Running out of nonsense?

Big cut in food stamps hurt more than poor people. Not extending unemployment benefits for WORKERS who lost their jobs hurts more than poor people. At what income level do you stop caring about people? Below 80% or below 95%?

You have gone so far off the deep end that facts are now "wishful thinking".

Didn't 70% of the conservatives think that they would win in a landslide against Obama a year before the 2012 election? The GOP has to offer something to improve the economy or to help minorities/workers. The Democrats used to find a way to lose in a winning position. Since 2010 the GOP have claimed that honor.

 

it's not so black and white, the economy is based on peoples perceptions, that perception helps shape the reality, some people wish to improve that perception, some don't


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And better economic news for the middle class quickly change that perspective.

 

The dow has NOTHING to do with treasury issues.

A fallacy about the cause of labor participation rate variation and an outright untruth.
Might want to examine the effect of increases in lower employment age cohorts.
Here's a study that will give you a more realistic perspective on the raw "statistic". I recommend you examine table 1 for age adjusted participation rates.

http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2002/09/art3full.pdf

If they are at record highs now, what were they before they decreased?

here's a little something that informs how dramatic the improvement has been.
http://www.uscourts.gov/Statistics/BankruptcyStatistics/interactive-map.aspx



FYI - bankruptcies in 2011 fell by 160,000 and in 2012 an additional 220,000,
And the number 1 reason for personal bankruptcy declarations remains medical bills.

I would perhaps attribute greater import to your ideology if your devout advocacy was backed up with actual facts instead of dramatically erroneous "common knowledge" or as I like to call them "fox facts".

 

The point is, that's not what those "many Americans" want to hear.

 

Attitude is everything! Bad ones can always make things bad. The right knows that.