Please cite your best evidence of "no-planes"

Reasonable doubt has been established by simply watching and listening to chopper 4. The concept means "reasonable doubt" in the mind of the "reasonable person". It is 100% defined for this situation being discussed here but there are two possible classes of a "reasonable person":

1) The average Joe in the street who is NOT aware of the live broadcasts and how they differ greatly from a real commercial flight. Persuading "him" (it could be Josephine) will need a lot better case than you have presented here, because you've only presented your belief and assumptions.

2) The average person in the street has been shown many times (by me) and all have said very easily that the ball was not a plane.

It's unreasonable to believe April Amonica didn't see the plane, as the footage allowed more than two minutes before the ball came from the west. The plane would've been filmed and very clearly witnessed by her. On the other hand, it's understandable that she didn't mention the ball because she didn't know what it was.

 

Is that right? So your ignorance is my assumption? A very clouded thought process. But why dont you venture out into the wide world of Google and prove me wrong. But please be warned, I deal with the problem of resolution vs magnification on virtually a daily basis. So I know you will employ another flippant sidestep because I am on extremely sure ground

 

http://911review.com/disinfo/index.html

 

April didn't see the plane because it wasn't there. You can't acknowledge that fact, so you evade it and post more nonsense. She saw the ball and didn't mention it because she didn't know what it was. That's logical and factual.

 

I responded directly to this comment

 

You know the deal. Of course she couldn't have seen it because it wasn't there, but some object was. That's logical. Have you listened to the extended clip of Chopper 4? I have and the only thing I remember her saying was that she 'assumed it was hit by a plane at some point'. She nailed it, perfectly. She saw an explosion, nothing else, really.

 

So if her evidence is so air tight why do you use low resolution high magnification images to back it up?

 

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/10/20/suppressing-and-manipulating-911-truth-using-the-internet/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/19/sayanim-israeli-operatives-in-the-u-s/

http://www.texemarrs.com/082012/sayanim_everywhere.htm

http://www.truthmove.org/content/disinformation/

 

I actually used much better quality than the original airings on wnbc and the national broadcast. I think the Lauer one was better than the local. But the raw chopper clip (3:15) is great if you find the right copy. I never said I had all the answers but verifying that ball was possible long before I started on it. I used what she said, didn't say, and the video itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNLVxWUbPDU

 

You didn't even verify THAT

All you did is rely on magnified video,that had been 'pushed' so hard,resolution was being lost...

Fail

 

[video=youtube;Ei5Vuyu-J-E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei5Vuyu-J-E[/video]

And what of these people who miss identified a 747, DC 9 and a 727

 

thats all anyone seen including reporters, thats why no one can come forward with bonafide witnesses who are willing to swear to it under penalty of jail time if they are lying.

 

Your claim is garbage. Eye-witnesses have made plenty of statements part of the public records as to what they saw on the ground that day. To imply that no one is willing to come forward because fear of jail is a complete lie. It's nothing more than you making another factless assertion. There are literally thousands of New Yorkers who would GLADLY tell you what they saw...and just as GLADLY tell you, you're full of (*)(*)(*)(*)e.

And you call yourself an attorney?

 

Here are a couple video footages of the the first crash where you can clearly hear the jet.

[video=youtube_share;Sus0PELCbn 4]http://youtu.be/Sus0PELCbn4[/video]

[video=youtube_share;cVEmAWaKoYQ]http://youtu.be/cVEmAWaKoYQ[/video]

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Here is that orb.

 

Here is another picture of that orb.

 

everyone is waiting for you to produce just "ONE" of those millions of witnesses, where the hell are they? Not implying it claiming you have produced not ONE bonafide witness. Where are they????????????

Maybe I should get a new pair of glasses so I can CLEARLY SEE too?

 

Many more where these came from. https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/whattheysaw:eyewitnessaccountsofthenycai

 

I cant take none of that (*)(*)(*)(*) into a court. Dont you know what bonafide statement is?

Anyone can get on a soap box and spout whatever trash they want. Get me bonafide evidence. I have seen none.

 

Oh, that's right, because crazy claims by truthers are much more believable than actual eye witnesses and the facts, which of course would be allowed in a court of law.

Also, presenting your "evidence" with no proof is pretty unbelievable.

 

I feel Cloud is the more important and devastating witness over Patricia, because his recorded audio was left for us in real-time. He told his co-worker he was about a mile away, which excludes a plane from looking like something other than a plane. He also failed to say the object was flying because it was really floating. Notice how both of them are describing something disappearing, not flying, into the building. This fits exactly what the ball did. It was moving slowly and was not an identifiable object, which was also corroborated by WB11's live shot of the same object, mistaken for a possible Police helicopter, also matches Cloud's description who was on the ground, not influenced by TV.

Clifton Cloud saw the exact same object as Patricia Ondrovic. IT WAS NOT A PLANE. She's saying the same thing as Cloud in regards to the ball, except Cloud doesn't describe it exactly her way. She saw the foreign object, said it was the shape of a golfball, then it disappeared. He saw something that he couldn't positively identify that got close to the towers, then it vanished. IT WAS THE BALL. Choppers don't disappear into thin air, but flying balls apparently do.

I didn't technically solve the South Tower fake-out, but certainly found the evidence that corroborates that an object smaller than a chopper was present behind the towers when the second tower exploded.

"All I saw was a helicopter and I didn't see the helicopter anymore. It just looked like it exploded from the inside."

"There was a police copter like near it...I swear, I don't know what happen to him, but. But when the second one exploded there was a helicopter not too far away."

Patricia Ondrovic saw the ball, no doubt, and her seeing the half burnt cars proves how close she was to the towers, if not in them at some point.

As this terrified woman was running pell-mell away from the first collapsing tower — her hair, coat and feet on fire — Ms Ondrovic witnessed vehicles parked along the street spontaneously erupt into flames.

She even witnessed an aircraft disappear while in flight: “I saw something in the sky, it was a plane, but it was way out. It looked like it was over Jersey or something, then it wasn’t there anymore. I saw a small fireball, and it was gone. I saw two other planes. One came in one way, and the other came in the other way, and there was a plane in the middle that was way far off in the distance. Then the plane in the middle just disappeared into a little fire ball. It looked like the size of a golf ball from where I could see it. And the other two planes veered off into opposite directions. I just kept on running north.” And she’s got a lot more to say. - See more at:

Witnesses Saw People ?Vaporized? on 9/11 « Just Wondering ? Alternative News and Opinions

"I believe that could be a police helicopter"




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obt-1d9POXM

 

Eye exam-now.

 

The "no planes" theory is used to discredit the 9/11 Truth movement.

It is much more likely that they either were drones or were piloted remotely to their destinations with the patsys on board.

HOWEVER, in the case of the Pentagon, it is most likely that what crashed into it was some form of guided missile or remotely controlled aircraft.
What little scraps of a plane that were shown were easily hand held. Parts of the engine did not fit the description of a passenger plane.

The upshot of all this is that there are a thousand ways in which to deceive people. The people who engineered these attacks are trying to implement every conceivable one of them. The idea is to generate such a mountain of disinformation and so much confusion that realizing the truth about 9/11 will made like looking for the needle in the proverbial hay stack.

The perpetrators, realizing that many people lack the time, the information, the analytical skills, and that others are easily duped through sensationalism and by other means, may cause many to doubt their own eyes or to abandon any hope of ever learning the truth.

So far this campaign appears to have been largely successful. The media propaganda ministry has succeeded causing people to accept the NIST report because "everyone else does" and "anyone who doesn't is a 'conspiracy nut'. Some will accept anything as long as it is accompanied by some form of bribe. What they care about most are their own creature comforts. Still others are afraid of the social repercussions they might have to endure as a result of either speaking the truth or not being ashamed to admit that they know it.



Anyone who is aware of all the irrefutable circumstantial evidence that makes the case for foreknowledge and facilitation may be distracted or steered down a false path by intentionally planted red herrings. The "hologram, no planes theory" is definitely one of them.

When those individuals discover this error they may be persuaded that perhaps there is some plausible explanation for the other evidence as well which has not been debunked!

The only way to avoid these pit falls is to keep ones mind open as to the possibility of error and to be persistent in examining and reexamining the evidence which is available over and over with a critical eye trying to imagine every conceivable possibility, even those unthought of, and eliminating them one by one.

But equally important is to bear in mind that there are people who have a vested interest in preventing the full revelation of 9/11 to come to light. It is those people who I am urging people to be aware of. They are fighting a no holds barred battle for survival. Their lives depend upon perpetuating the 9/11 lie. They will pull out all the stops to do so. Be mindful of this when dealing with them.

They are those who deliberately mislead. They may employ a wide variety of methods to achieve those ends.
There are others who fall prey to or take the bait of the disinformation agents. They are those who unwittingly assume the role of disseminating misinformation. They may unintentionally serve the purpose of the disinformation agents (those who know they are lying) by providing evidence to the neutral observer of "evidence" that all 9/11 Truth proponents are merely ignorant kooks.

I urge anyone reading this message who has not yet swallowed the Kosher poison offered by "Government spokesmen" and the media, to persist. Do not be dissuaded from the pursuit of truth by those who attack you for doing so. Do not become discouraged by the certain knowledge that there are those in this world who believe that LYING is a permissible tool in achieving ones objectives. And do be disheartened by the multitudinous ways in which a person may be deceived.

There is a mountain of such disinformation which has been generated.

But there is also a MOUNTAIN of circumstantial which makes FOREKNOWLEDGE and COMPLICITY of the 9/11 attacks an unavoidable conclusion.

The question is whether one has the integrity to seek the truth despite the obstacles placed in it's path.
The proponents of lies always seek to broaden the path to further destruction and to make the way easier.

The courage to continue the pursuit of truth can be gathered from the conviction that truth has an intrinsic value which exceeds the rewards of choosing the path of least resistance.

Would you accept, condone, or tell a lie if doing so appeared to offer the reward of safety and security?
Or do you believe that in doing so you would betray yourself and that the final end will be much worse than whatever the suffering the confession of the truth might entail?

Not only do I leave room in myself to admit an error when I discover I have made one, but I am guarded against those who would lead me to even more error. At the same time, it is unwise to allow someone else to steer them into a ditch, whether they are friend or foe.

I am confident that all those who aided in the 9/11 attacks and those who acquiesced to them will receive the just rewards for their sins of omission as well as those who paid others to commit them.

If I never see this on earth, nevertheless I believe it will come.

 

Im not sure you can get regular glass on...considering where you head is embedded.

 

There is also a mountain of real evidence, not circumstantial which makes hash of your silliness.

 

Are all these people lying?...Show the proof they are lying.

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/whattheysaw:eyewitnessaccountsofthenycai