What does a "small government" look like?

Don't double back. You said you don't accept failure, which implies that failing schools should be cut. This just in: school is NOT a business. School is a service. That's what you conservatives don't understand. School, infrastructure, and health care are not products. They are VITAL to society.

Like always, you miss the point. By encouraging cutting Medicare, you advocate reducing the amount of care for seniors. There's no way to skirt around it.


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Deal with it. Business is not more important than our society. It is but one piece. The health of our environment and population will ALWAYS supercede business interests. That's why the conservative states are cesspools and liberal states have lower rates of obesity, teenage pregnancy, and poverty.

You don't have anything to add to this thread.

 

A sensible response. The only question from there is "How to we finance these activities?". IMO taxation is an immoral act that unjustifiably infringes upon the property rights of the individual. The only just solution is an individual contract of citizenry.

 

Why do you lack such a basic understanding of the world around you? The Dept. of Education doesn't fund nor administer schools, locals do that. Honestly you really do lack understanding things that you should know before you form an opinion.

I didn't miss any point, reducing a few months on a deathbed for seniors is doing everyone a favor. Even Obama thinks medicare needs cutting as it is part of ACA. Medicare is projected to grow too large, everyone knows that, everyone except you apparently. Spare me you stupid clichés about killing old people.

Your original claim was

so after I destroyed that dumb post you move to this. How about being honest that your original claim, of having all these tax accountants is good for the economy, was stupid? and why the hell would I sit down to read the entire tax code?

business climate based on incentives?? what kind of illiterate double talk is that?

other than correcting your dumbass ideas?

 

When did I say that? You don't have an argument for ANYTHING.

We can agree to disagree. I won't support letting old people die because of lack of insurance coverage.

Reading the tax code, or investing in a good accountant saves you money.

What are you even arguing? It is a fact that the tax code creates an entire industry based off complience, regulations, and incentives. I work in that field.

Once again, no substance in your sentence.

Do you have ANYTHING to add to any thread? anything?

 

I want what's bestest for the mostest. And it really doesn't matter to me if the president is supreme or the country clerk is supreme.

 

I am asking for that too, btw, but it can't happen. I believe Bush43 had plans for the day 30% of the population lived on or outside the margins. I believe we're about 2/3rds of the way there. By my reckoning, almost 60% of the population isn't producing now. What's next?

 

Here's my philosophical outlook: Look at the checkbook and DO something. Don't need to be Locke to figure that out.

 

turn it around, or collapse. Those are our options. We can try to keep the scam running, but it will collapse, & who knows what kind of system will gain power.. i'd rather try to salvage a citizen based govt & reform it, than take chances during massive upheaval. I think there are simple things that can do this.

1. balanced budget amendment. The politicians can't buy votes with pork if they have to raise people's taxes. They do it when they borrow money from future generations, but if they have to appropriate it, it won't happen. This would probably limit spending the most, cut back on the credit frenzy, & greatly reduce the deficit. Many things would have to be cut, & priorities made. Reason, i am confident would prevail, as would common sense... well.. as much common sense as you can expect from politicians.
2. term limits. We need a return to citizen representatives.. public servants, rather than entitled lords & an elite ruling class. Reform campaign laws, enforce STRICT corruption & conflict of interest laws, & lock the revolving door to riches that public service has become. ..even judges.
3. cut stuff.. foreign aid, subsidies.. corporate & individual welfare.. grants.. anything where money is handed out by the govt is redistribution.. it is theft from a producing member of society to a leech.

strip down to the basics.. let the feds apply themselves to their central duties:
1. secure the citizen's rights'
2. provide a common defense.. but NO constant war machine.. follow the constitution! Only congress can declare war & fund it.. secure the borders & manage immigration.
3. regulation interstate & international commerce.. make treaties

Leave the other stuff to the states.. let them be experiments in social justice or human engineering.. at least only their citizens will suffer or benefit from it, & not the whole nation.

simplify, simplify, simplify.. the more massive & complex, the more waste, fraud, corruption, & inefficiency. It would take a determined electorate, but a vocal, incensed, increasingly militant citizenry could bring this to pass. It is our nation. What do we want to be? A govt of, by & for the people? Or just another statist system collapsed in the dustbins of history?

 

you said schools are not optional, pretending that if the dept. of education goes down, then so do schools, stop evading your own ignorance

old people die, in spite of your dumbass liberal welfare, keeping them alive 6 months longer at 150K a month is just plain stupid.

oh so having a small business waste money on a tax accountant is an investment? I'm just tired of the stupidity

then why don't we simply expand the tax code so that's all we do all the damned time? dumb and dumber

once again, an empty declaration

I'm happy to not meet your retarded standards

 

Well you could start by slashing all the departments you don't need, like Housing and Urban development, Health and Human Services, Education, Homeland Security, Labor, Agriculture, and with a huge scaling back to Transportation (only really needed for interstate stuff) and Commerce. That'd save a lot of money right there. It'd also make those services required to be at state level, and therefore more in-tune with what the citizens actually want.

 

Transportation is absolutely out of the question. I was actually about to post a thread about that. It is SEVERELY underfunded.

Homeland Security.

 

Perhaps that explains the pitiful state of America's transport infrastructure.

The rest of my statement stands though. State-level is better for most things.

 

I guess that's my point. 60% of our population can't all be leeches. Some of 'em are just used up. Some of 'em are just too dumb. Some of 'em too ugly. Scrap 'em?

The other thing is this economy is never again going to come close to 'full' employment. Things such as cheap labor abroad and automation figure in. Scrap those people who able to work and want to work too?

 

Familiar and pointless bloviation. Those who ignore, trample, and violate the US Constitution with increasing disdain are overwhelmingly right-wing sociopaths and neo-libertarian extremists. They are engaged in an orchestrated campaign to overthrow the government by trashing the US Constitution, embracing instead an alternative Bizarro Constitution that would send us back to colonial times, when men were men, women were women, and slaves were slaves. There is greater kinship between the wishes of such people and those of Osama bin Laden to return to the 12th century than there is between the wishes of such people and those of actual Americans.

 

sure they can. We might even hit 70% before it buckles. Most of washington dc is just leeches. very little productive industry is there, especially that does not depend on theft from the other producers in the nation.

Policy should not be based on what 'should' be, but what is feasible. It also should encourage production, & NOT dependency. With freedom comes responsibility. We have made a culture of dependency, & it will take time to wean people off, but if the society is to survive, we must. Sitting & waiting for it to collapse is not a responsible course of action. We cannot continue the trend of increasing dependents & decreasing production. It will collapse.

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run along, little man.. find someplace else to disrupt..

 

Well, aside from some pro bono stuff, they did have to pay me and all.

Corner suite in the room behind the brass plaque. But do keep trying to make points through crude and inane attempts at personal insult. No one is laughing at you. Really. You can trust me on that.

Jesus, Frankie. Markets concurrently set a price that is exactly the same in every currency. If they didn't, the mosty popular game in the world would not be soccer, but currency arbitrage.

In exactly what markets is this imaginary dumping going to occur? What would then replace dollars as the reserve underpinnings of all these imaginary economies who want to do better than dollars? In yet another attempt to drive the point home into blocks of solid granite, US dollars are a popular reserve currency because of the size and stability of US GDP and the breadth with which the US trades around the world. That is, there are REAL reasons for it. People with any sort of foundation in the field were long ago aware of this.

 

Oooh! Do I detect another "self-made man"? Another untamed stallion roaming proud and free across the sunlit, unfenced prairie? Well, that's all a complete load of little-boy crapola. Why don't you 'fess up and tell us what percent of your own supposedly "hard-earned money" actually came flowing to you directly or indirectly through that hated "government teat" of yours? Just how much of a worthless hypocrite are you, anyway?

 

But if they happen to be right-wingers, they will complain about it even as they drop a 1040-EZ into the mailbox.

Well, less than 85% of the taxes owed every year are ever actually collected. The chief reason for that is income-hiding and false attributions of expenses by small businesses. Loopholes are one thing. Willful evasion is another.

 

Though they probably don't realize it, this view is common enough among hermits and recluses living solitary lives in sparse cabins high in the mountains of Montana.

 

Did you check with everyone, or is this just more of the hair-on-fire nonsense that you so like to post here? And have you figured out a way to tell what's a deathbed and not prior the the time that an individual actually dies? I suspect not.

 

Particularly coverage under Part-A that they paid for all their working lives, or Part-B for those who've elected to pay even more. But these right-wing bots and trained seals have been told not to care, So they insist that they don't. Ork! Ork!

 

US population is about 317 million. Of those, about 145 million are employed. That's roughly 46%. The other 54% are all dependents, which is what these self-aggrandizing ho-hums all once were and will be again.

 

No, those are the options as seen by a few uneducated sociopaths.

Horrible idea. It's an economic straightjacket. About as bad as returning to the gold standard.

Right. Because experience is a bad thing. What we need is wave upon wave of overwhelmed rookies stumbling around the halls of Congress looking for the restrooms.

You could have just said "things that I don't understand". All of these things were proposed, advocated for, and finanlly adopted by people who knew much more about them than you do. Where do you get off?

Heads up. That's where we are now.

 

Hyperbole aside...unlikely as most hermits and recluses have no desire to be a part of any community, thus their chosen living accommodations. The most logical conclusion is that they would have no desire to agree to such a contract.

 

Citizens by and large don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. This is why the founders took such pains to keep them out of actual government.