Russia planing for WW#3?

Hi;
I have read several books by Alexander Solzhenitsyn. "The Gulag Archipelago" and "Cancer Ward" were outstanding.
Wasn't he incarcerated or exiled in the 70s?... then was allowed to come to the US and lived in Vermont State. Those years in Russia must have been terrible for a lot of people.

 

Russia thinking about WW3? What happened? Has the US House of Republican military industrialist controlled corporate puppets relocated to Russia now?

Maybe since Sarah Palin and Tea Party have realized that their retro Cold War rhetoric is such a dismal failure politically , that they have relocated to the West coast of Siberia, where Sarah can now see the USA from her cabin window, while shooting at a stray Moose with an AR15 rifle, and praising Putin for wasting more money on expensive weapons not needed, but good for profiteering.

Maybe they will convince Putin to invade Afghanistan and Iraq and spend 200 billion more per year while giving a tax break to wealthy 1% of Russian capitalists which will plunge Russian economy into recession just like USA.
Then Russians will elect the first female Russian president in 2016 at same time USA is electing the 1st female US President.

Then there will be a revolt in both countries, by militant old men out of touch with reality, who want to escalate their war on women and minorities. Such revolt will be promptly ended, when the old men's Viagra supplies, Vodka rations, and medical services are suspended, and they receive reeducation, rehabilitation, and Prozac prescription to adjust their brain chemistry to be in sync with 21st century reality.

 

that's because you were being pathetic.

try to attack Gays or Jews and you end up doing time.

quite funny your lack of history knowledge. Russia had been destroyed in 1917 and so USSR stepped in and then got destroyed in 1991 after which Russia bounced back.

 

no it wasn't. Russia by her very nature is not into financing and that sort of things, while the USA has initially been built as a State of merchants and bankers and it succeed to the European financial system and inherited and developed its worst traits.

resources without protection from financial lobby on worldwide level only endanger the existance of a country. USSR's problem was exactly that it wasn't as corrupt as the West (the image of 'corrupt Russia' has been created in West media only to cover up the West's own dismal corruption which no other country in the world can enven compare with) and the Soviet Union has been destroyed precisely because it was a successful economy competing with the West which the latter will never tolerate and will fight using whatever dastardly methods like financial and business lobbyisms and mass media falcifications and hoaxes.

that was the victory of Communism that the West won't put up with and will employ every dirty trick to udermine it.

 

there was hundreds writers in the USSR, like Alexei Tolstoy and Mikhail Sholokhov, but for some unclear reason you chose the most idiotic of them.

ever heard of Snowden affair for example?.. does it mean these years in America are terrible for a lot of people?

 

If the USSR was so damn successful, why did you need access to the corrupt Western financial system, anyway? And the fact that the West destroyed the USSR is pretty good prima facie evidence that it was neither as successful nor as strong as you would like to think.

 

for the personal greed of a certain part of Soviet bureaucracy who fancied themselves as a new Rothshields and Onasises and thus commited a high treason by helping the West destroy the USSR.

on the contrary, its an evidence of West corruption and malice and dastardly methods of Satanic nature.

 

When was the last time there was a non-Jewish Federal Reserve Chairman? Why does the totally Jewish Defense Policy Board get to keep an office in the Pentagon? Why did Richard Perle pass Pentagon secrets to Israel and then get off scott free? How did U.S. nuclear secrets get passed to Israel over the objections of Eisenhower and Kennedy? Does the name 'Rosenberg' mean anything to you?

There is no separation between the neo-Bolsheviks and the government of the U.S., which is why we are forever entangled in the Middle East.

 

Just to make this perfectly clear, it wasn't the 'Soviet bureaucracy', it was the CCCP bureaucracy. And the fact that the CCCP couldn't, or wouldn't, put a stop to it demonstrates what a failure the CCCP was.

'Satanic nature'? Get over yourself. And why's a good Communist like yourself invoking the 'opiate of the masses', anyway?

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Just to make this perfectly clear, it wasn't the 'Soviet bureaucracy', it was the CCCP bureaucracy. And the fact that the CCCP couldn't, or wouldn't, put a stop to it demonstrates what a failure the CCCP was.

'Satanic nature'? Get over yourself. And why's a good Communist like yourself invoking the 'opiate of the masses', anyway?

 

If, as you imply, the forces of the USSR were working for God then they would still be around, n'est-ce pas?

 

Good morning comrade. Just as delightful as ever I see.

In regards to 1, that's being again melodramatic. Just because you disagree with me, does not make my opinion pathetic. Now you know Sharki if I did not know better I would think you were trying to be insulting.

In regards to 2, that made no sense. You initially made the comment that if people express their political opinion in the West they get arrested. Now you respond to prove your point by saying if Jews or Gays are attacked you end up doing time? Ok let's see if I can explain this. In the West and in particular the US and Canada if you attack anyone physically, regardless of their ethnicity, sexual preference, etc., that is called an assault and battery and its considered a crime. Engaging in that attack for political reasons does not justify it nor is it the reason people would be arrested. There are as well federal US criminal laws (each state makes up its own law) and Canadian laws (in our country only the federal government has jurisdiction to make criminal laws) hate crimes where people use political opinion to incite violence. However people are not arrested for expressing their opinions about Jews or Gays-if they cross the line and call on people to hurt gays and Jews then yes that would be a crime.

I have been at many meetings where I have been told why as a Jew I am part of a world conspiracy to enslave people, make matzah out of children, drink gentile blood, on and on.

Why you even have an example of the kind of wonderful references to Jews by Phoebe on this forum that pretty much typify what I have grown up listening to. However no one is going to arrest her. In fact the more she states such things, the more obvious it becomes what she says is illogical and hateful. That is the beauty of free speech. It does not have to be censored. Its own contents can render it meaningless just as your response did in 2 to me. No Sharik the fact that one can not attack Jews or Gays in the West does not mean we arrest people for their political beliefs. If you think you have a political belief to beat gays and Jews Sharik and that the prevention of such beatings curtails your political expressions I can only roll my eyes at you over that absurd conclusion. In my country you will be arrested for your violent behaviour yes. Man oh man, I never thought I would see a forum poster equating beating gays and Jews as legitimate political expression that gets Westerners arrested.

In regards to 3, if you are now saying you realize the USSR no longer exists well that's nice. If you want to pretend it did not have an economic collapse because of its failed policies, that's nice too. If you want to suggest everyone is all happy under Putin that's nice too.

It sounds like you want to go back to an era where you line up for days for a piece of meat or stale loaf of bread and where the KGB made thoselovely night visits to arrest people. Ah the good old days when one could administer electric shock to someone's testacles for being a neo-reactionary. Bring back those days. Please.

 

i meant verbal attacks like writing a book that the Holocaust did not happen or the Gays should be treated at mental houses.

 

Why don't you like him? Was he too critical in your opinion? After all, he suffered through the war and the Stalin era.
Tolstoy is my favorite! I thought his name was Leo. Are there two Tolstoys?
Sholokhov I don't know at all.

Of course, I know about Snowden. Yes, it does mean these are terrible years for a lot of Americans. The shame and guilt they carry over their brutal government. And then the spying on all citizens!! That's terrible. Then so many Americans are dirt poor, loosing their houses and living on food stamps. The country is in debt over its head!

 

WHY was Zundel arrested and Keegstra?

Nix good old days... it is being done in the present days by Americans.

"US Prisons 'Use Electric Shock Belts For Torture"
A box at the back of the belt, which is triggered by remote control, administers an eight-second shock of 50,000 volts, temporarily incapacitating the wearer with pain.
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v99.n616.a04.html/ghdex
Americans are reduced to cattle or dogs!

 

it isn't a matter of me liking his or not, its just he had not actually experienced the things he writes about.

yes definately, Aleksey Tolstoy - a Soviet writer who wrote a book about the Russian Civil War after which a movie was made -

[video=youtube;jKHX6eUhZm4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKHX6eUhZm4[/video]

Mikhail Sholokhov a Soviet writer who wrote Quiet Flows The Dohn, a book about Cossack life during the Russian Civil War, awarded the Nobel Prize -

[video=youtube;ynPoFnzu0Lw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynPoFnzu0Lw[/video]
[video=youtube;3k-ySi1TbL0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k-ySi1TbL0[/video]

 

The American dollar - this paper, the real cost of which equals the cost of paint, in which it is applied. The Federal Reserve prints those candy wrappers in huge quantities. If all this waste will remain in the US, will be hyperinflation. There is the task to disseminate this paper worldwide. And who needs it? Anyone? When times are easy, anyone. But when the bombing of Yugoslavia, for example, the dollar becomes a good reserve currency. And this worthless paper, can be exchanged for real assets. If Europe is to be bought candy wrapper, called the dollar, it needs an external enemy. A terrible, dark, illiterate, wild country, called Russia. "It is planning a Third world war! She even has a nuclear weapons! Be afraid, Europeans! And only one country can save you. This bright, beautiful, kind, educated and free country! You guess who this is? Correctly! It will protect you. If you buy dollars. A lot of dollars. Or if you omit its currency to dollars, you could buy a lot of euros. For the freedom you have to pay." And pay well. Who will pay for 11 trillion foreign debt?

 

Zundel an unemployed German citizen was arrested in Toronto, Ontario and I can tell you why. First of all he had his supporters place brochures on cars calling for violence against Jews and Catholics. He then used his telephone and other transmission services to broadcast messages calling on people to engage in violence against
Jews and Catholics.

He openly did not just stop at denying the holocaust but referring to Jews and Catholics as less than human and worthy of violence.

You should also know his no.2 man was arrested for selling child pornography and molesting underage boys.

He fled to Alabama and the US deported him to Germany. Germany has a law that makes it a crime to deny the holocaust as it causes pain to the holocaust survivors in Germany and no not all of them were Jews.

Don't even attempt to suggest Ernst Zundel was persecuted for his political beliefs. He was a hate monger who incited violence. I should also add he depicted blacks as monkeys in his brochures and called on people to engage in violence against them as well.

As for Mr.Keegstra he preached in high school the holocaust never happened, that Jews were liars, evil and to be detested. As a direct result of his history classes his students began attacking Jews.

He openly stated the Jews started the violence.

You want to depict him as a political prisoner? Go ahead.

Yes in Canada and in the US our governments cracked down on the KKK, Neo-Nazi groups, White Supremacist Groups. The US Treasury Department,Secret Service, FBI, Dept,of Tobbacco,Alcohol and Firearms, DEA, state and regional police forces, and in Canada our RCMP and provincial and municipal police forces worked together in monitoring and cracking down on extremists of all political stripes trying to incite violence and purchase weapons. Those people have made our countries safer. You want to portray them as the enemy be my guest. I thank them for their work.

God knows now how many more extremists have been prevented by the Homeland Security office.

I always find it interesting how White Supremacists and Russian Good Old Boy Communists are now such good friends.

Ah the good old days when Hitler and Stalin were allies.

As for the electric shock yah yah I got it. The evil Americans are zapping their political enemies.

Get this clear. I make no apology for excessive force, bad policing, too much government intervention in private lives, but no I aint gonna bite on this extremist anti US nonsense or the suggestion Canada is persecuting its political opponents.

Sure Canada has issues. We are far from perfect. We have a lot of work to do with aboriginal land treaties, language rights, regional disparity issues. No we are not perfect, but don't even try suggest we put people in jail as they do in Russia.

As for the US the Yanks on this forum do not need be defending them they can handle themselves but I have personal friends in the police and armed forces in the US. They are dedicated, they are not facist, they respect the fundamental rights of freedom their country was founded upon and I stand by them as most Canadians do. No we do not think the US is perfect anymore than they think we are but we sure as hell cherish our freedom and alliance and the rights it gives us.

I make no apology for being pro US over Russia. I am no Republican either. I am a Kennedy democrat who loves Colin Powell so don't even try label me and I am the biggest fan of the US Navy of anyone and make no apology for that. They are tops as is the US Coast Guard. I am a huge supporter of their ATF and fight against international sex crimes and money laundering.

I applaud the US for its work in demanding the Swiss open their bank accounts and release money to holocaust survivors.

The US has been a world leader and you can (*)(*)(*)(*) on it all you want but I am glad they are our neighbours. I even forgive them for Wayne Newton and Joan Rivers.

 

I have an idea. How about if Europeans pay back all the money we loaned them during the First and Second World Wars....plus interest.

 

Promoting and inciting hate speech.

 

To say the Holocaust didn't happen is ridiculous, since it did. I don't deny though that it is being manipulated by some Jewish lawyers for their own gain, but to say it publicly would not be very smart.

Also to say Gays should be treated at mental hospitals, would be cruel and inhumane, since a disorder is not the same as a mental illness. This doesn't mean they have a right to impose their life style as being something acceptable, when it is not acceptable to the majority of the American people... not to mention the Christian foundation our nation was built on. But again to say that publicly would not be very smart. You forgot to mention blacks though. Many a famous person has lost their job for saying something that the blacks considered offensive.

As for you and your idealizing of the Soviet Union, I decided to post a response of a Russian girl, to someone who had lost her family in the Ukrainian holodymir, and who thought the opening ceremony at the Olympics was glorifying the USSR: :

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I'm disagree with you. This part of the open ceremony wasn't a glorification of communist era at all! It was shown a great influence of the industrial period of the first Soviet years: all these machines and mechanisms, collectivisation, this red color as symbol of blood, little figures of participants acting as parts of a great machine called Soviet republic. This scene was done in stylistics of Suprematism (Malevich, Rodchenko etc).

This was a symbolic interpretation of pain and disharmony. It showed how a normal human civilization of Russians had changed into depersonalized masses. It was more a symbol of tragedy of the Soviet people, but not a glorification.

These hammer and sickle were parts of a very famous Soviet sculpture Worker and Kolkhoz Woman (showed at the World's Fair in 1937), a famous symbol of the Soviet period, was also showed crashed on the ceremony. You could see only parts of it (head, hammer and sickle were showed apart.

This symbol of the Soviet Union was showed destroyed. And you think it was a glorification? It's a pity, you didn't catch the main idea, though everything on the ceremony was shouting about it, even music with its cacophonic and disharmonic tunes of Stravinsky and Schnitke.

Also there are rules of the Olympic Comette which prohibit to show tragic times and wars in the historical parts of the cermonies. That's why also the Second World War wasn't shown in the opening Ceremony in Sochi.

 

I have an idea. How about if Europeans pay back all the money we loaned them during the First and Second World Wars....plus interest.

I no longer believe in fairy tales. That's probably because I was an adult. And I don't believe in the existence of a charitable organization, called the United States of America. Like all empires, America turns foreign policy in the money. And does it with great skill and grace. No charity in the years of world wars cannot be and speeches. If America finances anything, so for this you should see its political interest, which is sure to be turned into a financial benefit. How America can consume a quarter of the world's resources, when the gold content of the dollar is equal to zero? Because the fight for freedom is a very profitable business if under the pretext of fighting for freedom, US can send to Emirates aircraft carriers, and through the day, oil will cost 20 candy wrappers ... sorry... dollars ... per barrel.

 

Thanks for your thorough and passionate answer. I'm slightly stunned over your fierceness of tone.
I first checked out Wiki, but was not impressed. There are actually a ton of links about Zundel.
Would you be able to show me a link that proves he actually called for violence against Jews and Blacks? I find it hard to believe he did that. As far as I have read he was a holocaust doubter or even denier. A few years ago I watched a video about him and David Cole in Auschwitz. They pretty much convinced me there were no gas chambers. As I recently read, David Cole retracted his statement and disappeared in the underground.

Ssshh, calm down! I don't want to do anything. Is he still in prison? Does Canada have the same law as they have in Europe? In most European countries one gets jailed for doubting and denying.

Of course there has to be law and order! It is also good the CIA did the rendition flights and the torturing of innocent foreigners.
All Americans must be glad to have a place like Guantanamo! Surely, all Americans are proud of the humane treatment the Iraqis received in Baghdad... proud of little Miss Lyndie and her boyfriend. It sure helps to gain respect and make friends in other countries.
I was especially happy to see how enthusiastically Canada flew their bombing missions to Libya, that beautiful and self supporting African country, until it was in ruins and chaos. Very proud we are indeed of our important role and stature in the world... almost as good as the USA. But that is all outside our countries... you are talking about the inside and there we have little to complain. Canada is a very nice and peaceful country to live in. Are you happy in Canada? Or would you rather live in the US?

Prevented from what? How do you define an extremist? Is David Duke an extremist? Or Ron Paul?

Are they? I haven't noticed. Do you mean here in the forum or out in the world? Don't forget, the Communists and the Americans were very good friends at one time. The US actually helped Stalin to win the war against Germany.

It is getting late. I'll try to be back tomorrow and tackle the rest of your little essay!

 

see nothing tragic about Depersonalisation, though. Individualism is way more tragic.

also 'depersonalized masses' sounds more like the West today, doesn't it?

i mean, the USSR had been destroyed not in order to free people, but to enslave them yet even more, this time under the rule of West oligarchy.

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You scare easily .

And how is russia reducing troops preparing for war?

 

better be wary/ scared then complacent..