Climate scientist faults Obama science advisor for 'Zombie science'

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  1. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    By Rick Moran
    February 16, 2014

    President Obama's science advisor John Holdren said some outrageous things about the California drought before the president's visit to that state and a couple of prominent scientists called him out for it.



    Daily Caller:

    Two prominent climate scientists disagree. Former NASA scientist Dr. Roy Spencer and University of Colorado climate scientist Roger Pielke, Jr. slammed Holdren for his "pseudo-science rambling."

    "The idea that any of the weather we are seeing is in any significant way due to humanity's greenhouse gas emissions verges on irrationality," Spencer wrote in his blog.

    Pielke took to Twitter on Friday to slam Holdren for "zombie science" in the White House.

    @andersbolling That's right, thanks. The zombies will always be with us. But it is brazen for zombie science to show up in the White House!

    - Roger Pielke Jr. (@RogerPielkeJr) February 14, 2014

    Obama headed out west to California on Friday to announce his plan to create a $1 billion "Climate Resilience Fund" to help localities deal with the impacts of global warming. In a press call the night before, Holdren warned reporters of the impacts global warming has had on weather.

    "The global climate has now been so extensively impacted by the human-caused buildup of greenhouse gases, that weather practically everywhere is being influenced by climate change," White House science czar Dr. John Holdren told reporters Thursday night. "We've always had droughts in the American West, of course, but now the severe ones are getting more frequent, they're getting longer, and they're getting dryer."

    Pielke disagrees, pointing out that Holdren's claims that droughts have worsened due to global warming directly contradicted scientific reports.

    The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change found that there is "not enough evidence at present to suggest more than low confidence in a global-scale observed trend in drought." Pielke added that even a report from the U.S. government said that "droughts have, for the most part, become shorter, less frequent and cover a smaller portion of the US over the last century." A 2012 paper published in the journal Nature found "[l]ittle change in global drought over the past 60 years."

    Spencer took issue with Holdren's claim that "weather practically everywhere is being influenced by climate change."

    The former NASA scientist said that weather is caused by energy imbalances on "between the solar heated surface of the Earth and the atmosphere above it, and between different geographic regions."​


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    Of course those of the 'Climate Warming' ideology will tell us no, no it's 'Climate Change'. They're right on that account. It's winter time and the Jet stream has changed and dipped South as it does every year. Only this time it's dipped further than it has in years. Won't they ever learn you don't mess with Mother Nature. Hmm..., no one has mentioned the Ozone layer in a long time....
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Global warming is junk "science" since they dont have the most important input to the temp of the earth, the possible change in the suns output.
     
  3. Kurmugeon

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    No one has mentioned the ozone layer in a long time... Because Dupont Corp got what they wanted, their old product, R8 Freon Coolant, was by law retired, and a new, less efficient R112a, which Dupont has a new patent on, and can renew a number of more times.. .is now the only legal coolant to use.


    The entire "Ozone" scam was nothing more than a very politically and financially powerful corporation getting their own product outlawed, because the last renewal of the patent was about to end, and they would not longer have a monopoly on refrigerant manufacture.

    But the new approved product, R112a is now on only its second patent renewal, insuring at least another 30 years of Dupont controlling the refrigerant market.

    Once again, it is junk environmental science being used to manipulate American Law, to allow a big cronnie company monopoly profits.

    The Left is 10X as successful, wealthy, corrupt and destructive to the environment as the "Fat Cat" Republicans ever thought of being, because they approached the whole problem by manipulating the Environmentalist Sentiment as their chosen tool of government justification and manipulation.

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    The real motive behind the global warming hysteria was big profits for the "scientists & writers" promoting the hoax, and the super-rich who expected to rip off most of humanity for "carbon taxes".

    "The volcanic eruption in Iceland since its first spewing of volcanic ash has, in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet - all of you.

    Of course, you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to suppress - it's that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to live and grow and to synthesize into oxygen for us humans and all animal life.

    The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four days - yes, FOUR DAYS - by that volcano in Iceland has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud at any one time - EVERY DAY.

    I don't really want to rain on your parade too much, but I should mention that when the volcano Mt. Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in all its years on earth.

    Yes, folks, Mt. Pinatubo was active for over One year - think about it. Of course, I shouldn't spoil this 'touchy-feely tree-hugging' moment and mention the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the well-recognized 800-year global heating and cooling cycle, which keeps happening despite our completely insignificant efforts to
    affect climate change.

    And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud, but the fact of the matter is that the bush fire season across he western USA and Australia this year alone will negate your efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three years. And it happens every year.

    Just remember that your government just tried to impose a whopping carbon tax on you, on the basis of the bogus 'human-caused' climate-change scenario.

    Hey, isn't it interesting how they don't mention 'Global Warming' anymore, but just 'Climate Change' - you know why?
    It's because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century, and these global warming bull artists got caught with their pants down. And, just keep in mind that you might yet have an Emissions Trading Scheme - that whopping new tax - imposed on you that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you poorer.
    It won't stop any volcanoes from erupting, that's for sure.
    But, hey, relax......give the world a hug and have a nice day!"

    Ian Rutherford Plimer is an Australian geologist, professor emeritus of earth sciences at the University of Melbourne, professor of mining geology at the University of Adelaide, and the director of multiple mineral exploration and mining companies. He has published 130 scientific papers, six books, and edited the Encyclopedia of Geology.

    Born 12 February 1946 (age 67)
     
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    Climate change is a fact, for what ever reason. There is no actual debate about that.
     
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    Amen! Exactly the point I keep making!

    Any good scientist takes into account Scaling Proportions when attempting to designate causes.

    The natural sources of CO2 emissions, and their natural fluctuation cycles dwarf anything made by man.

    But more importantly, the changes caused by ALL CO2 fluctuations, man-made+natural, results in a relatively small change in Joules of heat retention by the planet, compared to the number of Additional Joules of heat deposited by fluctuations in Solar Flux, and the spectrum of Solar Flux caused by low sun spot activity.

    When the Sun in a period of Calm, it emits a much larger portion of its energy down in the IR-Red-Yellow-Green portion of the spectrum, rather than up in the Blue-IR-Soft X-ray spectrum.

    Because of Raleigh Scattering, the high energy photons are as likely to scatter back into space, and they are to get down to ground level for absorption.

    So periods of low sun-spot activity, even though total Solar Flux is lowered, result in more Joules of energy being deposited on the planet!

    Hey Enviro-Wackos - Its the Furnace, Stupids!

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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're right it happens every Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter.
     
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    The only people left who say they believe climate change is not a fact are on the fringes of society.
     
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    Yeah we already heard that fraud of a scam artist John Kerry say that.

    Man made climate change and the effort by the left to convince us that we can(or should) stop it, slow it down or even remotely significantly impact it in ANY way is nothing more than a massive Ponzi scheme to attempt to steal money from the American people.

    The guy JUST showed you. ONE volcano erupting for ONE year produced as much or more co2 than the entire human race has done since it's been on this planet.

    (*)(*)(*)(*) of here
     
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    They do - When it leaves the sun it is called the Solar through put - and when the energy reaches the Earth, the solar constant

    It is this funky fringe junk science called astronomy
     
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    This is not the first time that experts, in some narrow field of expertise, have been left to believe that their field of expertise is the most important thing in the world and that life on earth, as we know it, hinges upon their contributions. I have personally heard politicians and preachers make the same claim.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Although earth's climate is almost entirely determined by factors quite apart from the contributions of living organisms, all living organisms do contribute something to climate. Some contribute much, much more than do human activities. Two that come to mind are algae and bacteria. Insects contribute much more significantly to methane than do human activies, and methane is a much more potent 'greenhouse' gas.

    Anthropocentric-catastrphic-global climate change is an anthropocentric arrogance.
     
  13. FreshAir

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    yep, there the ones who believe God is making the weather bad cause of gays or whatever it is they don't like at the time



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    Change is a fact. No particle of matter can occupy the same position, relative to the balance of matter, in any two increments of time.
    The entire material-spatial-temporal continuum is defined by its changes.

    Change is.
    Climate change is.
    Anthropocentric-catastrophic-global climate change is not.
    Earth's climate is determined almost entirely by factors quite apart from the contributions of living organisms.There is no actual debate about that.
     
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    Or their beliefs encourage them to think the rapture is coming......so nothing really matters anyway.
     
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    Yes, we know the the climate has been sifting from one extreme to another for 4.5 billion years, this is a well known fact. But that's what the debate isn't over at all. Try being honest next time.

     
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    OOOPS! Tin foil hat time!!
     
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    i see you are already saying the same talking points as you faithful idiot leaders..
     
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    the truth is the truth no mater who says it...
     
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    Who could possibly argue with such eloquent articulation.
     
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    no..just a waste of time and space talking with people who just repeat the same phrases over and over and over again
     
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    Where did all this oxygen come from then?
     
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    Although earth's climate is almost entirely determined by factors quite apart from the contributions of living organisms, all living organisms do contribute something to climate. Some contribute significantly more than do humans and our activities. Two that come to mind are algae and bacteria. Insects contribute much more methane to the atmosphere than we do, and methane is a very potent 'greenhouse' gas.

    Anthrogenic-catastrophic-global climate change is an anthropocentric arrogance. We're simply not all that.
     
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    Not from co2. It came from the man made climate change god.
     
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    So you don't agree that changes in Seasons is Climate Change?
     

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