Arizona Passes Bill Allowing Business Owners to Refuse Service to Gays Based on Relig

It means its not genetic or natural. Homosexual sex being the required function to propagate a species makes heterosexuality natural and genetic. How can you pretend that isn't painfully obvious?

That's a great theory with zero evidence behind it.

And some people are turned on by whips and chains giving them a chubby. It doesn't make that genetic either. what is genetic is what their body does in reaction to that sexual stimuli

Of course they are scientific. Everything I have said is based completely in science. Show me one thing I have said that science has not proven when it comes to heterosexuality.

lol Are you in the right thread?

 

Now you've stepped in it


Get ready to hear the claims you are linking homosexuality to pedophilia despite the fact you didn't.

 

Genetic, or not genetic?


The "bisexual" seems to put this question to bed, as it chooses which ever sexual setup it likes at any given time.

 

I saw the sign, but it doesn't apply, this is a law that singles our gays. How do I know as a white atheist
male it isn't addressed to me. Further if that sign covers you for turning gays away why pass a law?

But I think an answer to why your scared to post a sign that states you refuse service to gays. All I can figure is that your smart enough to know how about how bad the PR would be for a business would be if you hung such sign.

So in the end the Arizona GOP is a bunch of cowards since they won't stand up for the views they claim to have.

 

That and "coming out" like this

 

Because you have passed laws forcing us to accept it. might want to look up the cases against a photographer and cake makers. Your side forced both of them out of business just like a pure fascist would.

You want to shame people who don't agree with you.

That's your choice but the sign was created to cover everyone that a private business should have the freedom to choose whom they do business with.

We understand you want to force private businesses to do what you want but that isn't how freedom works.

 

i am not disputing the evidence that heterosexuality is natural
i am disputing the claim that homosexuality is not

if being gay is unnatural, how do gay men do it then ?
by will alone ?

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pedophilia is natural - but in a moral society we should never allow it
you're comparing homosexuality which requires (in theory) the consent of two legal aged adults with the horrific rape of an innocent child

 

People have the right to equal protection under the law. Not equality in all of commerce. I should be allowed to sell what to I want, and why, and when, and to who, as I feel like, no different than I should be allowed to say hi the old lady but not the little kid. They are my actions, not those of the state.

And if somebody wants to deny service to gays, let them make the dimwitted business decision. Anyone knows that whoever is trying to pass you money, you take it.. If you want to decrease your own revenue than that's your own retarded business decision to make. Businesses that segregate won't last long anyway, you don't need the law to interfere.

If a straight white person tried to hand me money, I'd take it.. If a homosexual, vegan, extraterrestrial, crippled Buddhist who was the color purple also handed me money, you know what, I would take that as well!

 

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Where is your evidence?

Why are some people into fetishes? We are a product of our environment and choices and that is no reason to change law unless you are ready to open marriage to every sexual preference.

Are you?

 

The Male body responds to stimuli. Simple as that. You would no more have to have an attraction towards a man than you would a woman for this to happen.
Just ask the 17 dudes in Zimbabwe.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/15/world/africa/zimbabwe-sperm/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

geez, tranquilized or at gunpoint?? How did that happen....will alone?

Some people will simply try anything...even the things that the norm says 'no" to...for the thrill...the taboo...who knows. Some end up liking it...and then claim they were born that way so they dont have to live with the stigma of their choices.

 

Ya, I have to say I disagree with you there.

 

That part of the bible also speaks out about the badness of tattoo's, and wearing clothing made of two different materials (among other things). No one in the US is passing disciminatory laws based on those parts of Leviticus are they though.

 

Where are these laws? Couldn't find them?

Why would you feel shame, if you don't to serve gays, then a sign saying you don't serve them shouldn't matter. If gays come in, your just going to turn them away ANYWAY!

You are right this about freedoms. People have a right to speech and if you don't serve gays people have a right to voice their views on it and sign makes it a whole lot easier to ID homophobes... and being a homophobe is a toxic title for a business.

 

I think he is right about it being "natural", however the meaning of natural is where I'd split hairs.

Some people think if it's "natural" that it is "ok".....I do not. I realize that throwing feces is natural, monkeys do it....it doesnt however make it acceptable for us to do.

Lots of things happen in Nature, and are technically "natural"....but natural does not always equal acceptable. Thats the line the left tries to blur on this subject.

 

Are you kidding?

The Oregon Attorney General’s office soon launched an investigation against the Klein’s as the state’s non-discrimination laws prevent public accommodations from being denied to any individual on the basis of “race, color, religion, sex [or] sexual orientation.”

You seriously didn't know about the fascism on your side?

Notice the rest of those are either protected in the 1st amendment or genetic traits unlike homosexuality.

i wouldn't feel shame but that doesn't change what your side does to those who don't agree.

So my right defined in the first amendment is invalid because you want your sexual preference accepted by everyone which isn't in the Constitution?


lol liberal logic

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Exactly. By their defintion murder is natural because its found in our society. So is incest and rape but no one is stupid enough to claim those are genetic and worthy of protection from the law.

 

Killing or simply casting out the weakest of your offspring = Natural.

But of course, wrong for us.

 

Are you serious? The left isn't trying to rationalize about "natural", the left is talking about equality of all people under the law. Period. It is ONLY the right trying to pretend that legal equality should be denied because some people are "unnatural" or other obfuscation. The left takes the position that all sexual orientations, being involuntary, are acceptable. Behaviors based on those orientations are unacceptable if they harm others - and the objection is to the HARM, not the orientation.

 

I don't care about genetics. And nowhere did you refute anything I wrote. Like I said, the Arizona GOP is cowards for righting this law. You and I know a homophobe business owner doesn't want the sign because of the PR of it.

This law doesn't change anything really, just let's one group discriminate against another all to avoid discrimination .

 

You block quoting my argument and denying the exact law I quoted only shows you know you lost and can't engage in the debate.

And the very fact you claim you don't care about genetics only proves my point when you try to equate the real civil rights movement with the fake one.

Yes. You are trying to circumvent the 1st amendment with a sexual preference not in the Constitution.

You loose.

 

Of course the left does. Every time one of you rambles on about "born that way" or showing us misguided animals in the animal kingdom that show tendencies you are trying to push the "it's natural and Ok" narrative.

We already have equality under the law unless you are going to show me "Gay Only" schools....drinking fountains, and the "gay seats" at the back of the bus.

We have equality.

 

No you aren't because if you really cared about "equality under the law" for ALL PEOPLE you wouldn't discriminate against sexual practices you don't approve of.

But you do so you don't. Why do you continue to use these child like general arguments when they are so easy to pick apart?

 

Because it causes definite harm to someone else. Are you listening at all?

 

Sure, i'm listening. I'd remind you the stats of Gay sex and STD's show that lifestyle to be harming people as well. Rising 8% per year.....this was from 2012 FFS. Only certain segments are still facing AIDs as an epidemic after all this time. Should say something.

http://www.alternet.org/activism/shocking-second-hiv-epidemic-among-us-gay-men-no-one-talking-about

 

There isn't anything illegal about choosing who to do business with.

 

Its a violation of Federal and State law to choose to only do business with Christians, Whites, Jews, Blacks, etc.