Someone try to justify this.

Like I said...zero discussion about personal responsibility?

Every American taxpayer pays more or less taxes than you do...either by dollar amount or percentage...so what?

Bill Gates = Bill Gates in my example...not something less.

The middle-class is not subsidizing anyone...this is real bullcrap! How about your middle-class applying for jobs around the world, every nation, with whatever education and skills they possess, and let us know how horrible it is in the USA?

Hint and FYI for you; perhaps the reason more wealthy people are involved in the USA is because they feel it is a privilege and requirement of citizens to be involved in government, from funding political candidates/parties, to lobbying, to voting, etc. while your 99% do not put forth this same effort. Who do you actually believe has more power in the USA...5 to 8 million wealthy voters or 145 to 150 million non-wealthy voters? It's true bullcrap if you believe 150 million Americans don't have all the power...but if they don't utilize their power then who is to blame...

 

Show me a single American, with an employable college degree, with a good work performance record, who has kept themselves in good health, with acceptable communication skills, and they are located in the major employment centers, who cannot find applicable work? This discussion is not about your continued 1% apologist diatribe...it is about people who are too stupid or lazy to achieve more in their miserable lives...it is about personal responsibility...personal actions...personal efforts...but you and others will NEVER talk about personal responsibility...why is this?

 

Oh my god, you....

.....ok, listen. STOP with this "subsidizing the rich" crap. That money they didn't pay in taxes isn't somehow "your" money that they've taken, it's THEIR money that hasn't been taken.

Remember? Or have you forgotten their wealth is THEIRS, not a pot of welfare funds for the government to just take whenever they want.

 

No, not at all. It has nothing to do with how hard they work. Government regulation (particularly in the financial industry) is responsible for a lot of the wealth concentration and income disparity.

 

...and a clear trend of dilution of such degrees to the point that a college degree today equates to a high school diploma a few decades ago in terms of knowledge and reasoning capacity. Neither the 1% nor commerce nor the private sector did that. That's all... 100%... at the door of government and a corrupt education industry.

So much for whatever response you are attempting.

 

LMAO!

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No, they haven't paid their fair share of taxes. That money is the governments to be used in society. What do you think taxes are??!

Yea ok. We've been hearing whining regulations and taxes for 30 years and all it has led to is increased wealth concentration at the top. Wake up.

 

If you want to have this discussion it would be in your best interest to educate yourself on the subject matter. Specifically, the barriers to entry created by capital adequacy requirements. You should also look into the amount of regulatory arbitrage large financial institutions engage in.

 

It is not that complicated. No need to overthink.

 

The rich already pay the most in taxes. How much are you saying is "fair"? 50%? 60%? Perhaps you'd prefer to go Hollande on us and go for three quarters?

I find the idea that society is entitled to half or more of someone's money offensively selfish.

 

Could be. Take it up with OMOF who argues the great "trickle down" inequality is because people aren't getting college degrees.

 

Show me a single American, with an employable college degree, with a good work performance record, who has kept themselves in good health, with acceptable communication skills, and they are located in the major employment centers, who cannot find applicable work? This discussion is not about your continued 1% apologist diatribe...it is about people who are too stupid or lazy to achieve more in their miserable lives...it is about personal responsibility...personal actions...personal efforts...but you and others will NEVER talk about personal responsibility...why is this?

 

Irrelevant. No one said that people with higher educations aren't better off.

But your position that there are 8 million more unemployed or that the middle class share of the nation's income and wealth is shrinking because people aren't getting an education is bunk. I proved that more people that ever are getting higher educations.

Because 11 million people didn't lose their jobs and take a hit on pay because they all of a sudden stopped being personally responsible.

It's such a sham argument you 1% apologists use to blame the poor for the problems in the economy and the "trickle down" policies and practices that have redistributed so much more of the nation's wealth and income to the richest.

We gave trillions in tax cuts to the so-called job creators and they aren't taking the personal responsibility to create the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing jobs. but you and others will NEVER talk about personal responsibility of the uber rich...why is this?

 

No they do not. The 1% should not be paying less of their income in taxes than I do. Period.

 

And...but you and others will NEVER talk about personal responsibility...why is this? Again...all the diatribe above and not a single mention about personal responsibility? If someone desires more then the path to achieve more is to take personal actions to achieve more. You REFUSE to discuss what these personal actions might be? You refuse to claim that your 99% have exhausted all options? Then you have the gall to blame all of their problems on those who have achieved various forms of success...those who have and continue to take personal actions to steer their lives. None of this has anything to do with shrinking incomes, or the 1%, or your trickle down policy, or redistribution of wealth. Like I have mentioned to you before, which you ignore, is you can extract another $1 trillion in taxes from the wealthy and this won't change a single thing with your whining 99%...

 

Repetitive. Addressed here: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=346037&page=19&p=1063709166#post1063709166

 

As I have stated multiple times I don't approve of special tax rates for certain kinds of income; all income should be taxed at the same at rate. I assume that's what you're talking about? Because if that happened the wealthy would pay FAR more than you do, which I'm not of the opinion is very fair either.

 

Raw dollar amounts are irrelevant. Percentage of income is all that matters. You don't get special treatment once you start earning a certain amount of income. No. To hell with that definition of "fairness."

 

An interesting chart to add to this discussion would show the growth in wealth of US Congressmen starting from age 18 to present. We should see where they were (family income as children) how they advanced and how their wealth has grown or decreased since reaching Congress.
I expect most were born into families rising through the middle. They used the family's growing wealth and reputation to develop their own careers, got rich, then went to congress and voted for laws designed to increase their own wealth and secure their wealthy donors.
The biggest problem is not that the poor will always be poor, but that even the middle class business owners can't move up because a wall has been built one step above them.
Also, can you find even a few case studies of people who fell out of the 1% over a period of several years and how far did they drop.
Romney talked about the safety net,meaning Welfare to keep the poorest housed and fed, but there are several safety nets and one of them guarantees no billionaire will ever become a millionaire.

 

I said "rate", did I not? And how is anything I said special treatment?

But if I know anything about you, you'd like rich people to pay something like 50% taxes because then you could feel better about them not having so much more money than you.

 

Actually you address nothing on that post?

Still no discussion about personal responsibility...why is this?

In your mind it's so much easier to whine, to CONSTANTLY complain how unfair life is, to blame everyone else, to demand others pay for those who don't put forth the effort, and you will be doing this until the day you die...why...because you will never find a solution to a non-problem! In your welfare world you believe a high school drop out who can't earn $20K should be subsidized by taxpayers and those who have succeeded instead of gaining more education and skills.

How convenient to always blame others but you'll never solve anything with this approach...

 

In bold above is BS...approximately 100 million Americans pay little to no federal income taxes today. Let's pick a 5% flat rate for federal income tax...this means your 100 million will now be forced to pay 5% of their incomes to the government when today they pay 0%...good luck getting this passed...

 

Repetitive. Addressed here: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=346037&page=19&p=1063709166#post1063709166

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I expect we'd see most of their incomes skyrocketing just as we've seen the 1% ...

 

It's no surprise that you continue to refuse to talk about personal responsibility. You're 100% diatribe and bias and 0% problem defining and solution. You blame everything on others which is a child's game. You request zero personal responsibility which is also a child's game. You talk as if your 99% are miserable failures incapable of existence...that they are so miserable and incapable that their only recourse is whine to the government and take from others. Just once it would be relevant for you to talk about what actions your 99% need to take. It sickens me to hear such whining knowing how hard I worked to get to where I am today! If all you can do is blame others and whine for more welfare and government involvement...then you are wasting your time on me...

 

I spoke about it in my post. I've never claimed the 99% are miserable failures. Please quote my post where I ever said that. That's nonsense.

If you cannot accurately and fairly characterize my statements and positions I'll have to ask you to quote my post verbatim if you wish to discuss what I've written.

It's not surprising you continue to refuse to talk about the personal responsibility of the "job creators" and the personal responsibility of the 1% to make sure that the prosperity of the nation is distributed to all classes in the nation and not just themselves. I sickens me to hear such greed because for heaven's sake, the 1% getting 20% of the nation's income and having about 40% of the nation's wealth just isn't enough for you is it? More is never enough.

If all you can do is blame the most unfortunate for the economy as if 12 million Americans all got lazy at the same time and you are too greed to face up to the fact of how trickle down policies have redistributed more and more of the nation's wealth and income to the 1%, ... then you are wasting your time on me...