Climate Change Is a Game of Risk

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  1. longknife

    longknife New Member

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    Bryan Walsh, April 4, 2014 

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    Climate change could increase the risk of catastrophic events like Hurricane Sandy

    Read the article @ http://time.com/50148/climate-change-is-a-game-of-risk/
     
  2. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes....... and the safest method of climate stabilization was perhaps given by Dr. Chaim Henry Tejman.

    http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/globalW2.htm
     
  3. Poor Debater

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    Sorry, but we will never be able to plant trees as fast as we're burning fossil fuel. The only practical solution is a carbon tax.
     
  4. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You could be correct............... I honestly don't know for sure.......... but I do believe that one of the best ways to get "conservatives" interested in climate change is to talk about investment in turning deserts green.......partly because every cubic meter of ocean water that is desalinated and added to the water table of another nation...... will not end up on top of New Orleans, Florida, Bangladesh, The Netherlands or perhaps even Washington D. C?!?!


    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090205142132.htm

    "So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breathe, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere.. ."

    "Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes...."

    "Just take a look at any satellite picture of the earth showing heat and you will see that our deserts are the warmest spots on the planet by far. More heat is being generated by just one of the top four or five deserts than by all of our cities combined.... "

    "The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave…."

    "So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive…."

    "Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds…"

    "We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell)."
     
  5. EdGann

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    Is that really the only practical solution? Tthat's pretty scary. If we are stuck with only one way to save the planet, and that is taxes I think we might be in more trouble than we realize. I doubt a carbon tax is the only solution and I also doubt that a carbon tax can be equitably enforced without a fair amount of violence.

    I like Dennis's notion about planting the deserts, I haven't heard that before and I would certainly bee interested to hear more about it. Obviously it would be very expensive (maybe we could pay for it with a carbon tax?) but it would also produce big dividends: increasing arable land, advancing desalination technology and increasing our water supply, and of course cooling things down. Seems like a good all around solution.
     
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    Desalination and greening of deserts will be horrendously expensive, how willing are americans going to be to foot the bill for greening of the sahara desert if they object to a carbon tax?...taxes are a necessary evil for any society and an end user tax is the most fair, the less you use the less you pay...the tax itself will not solve the problem but it will have a direct effect in reducing co2 emissions and it will help fund the projects needed to mitigate agw/cc...
     
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    To make a carbon tax equitable world wide it will need to be enforced. Who's going to do the enforcing? At what cost? How many wars will have to be fought over this? I agree recapturing the deserts would be monumental task that would require a world wide effort which probably won't happen, but at least it's a forward looking solution with extra benefits. The worldwide water shortage is going to be a big problem in coming years, so desalination will probably be a technology that needs to be advanced anyway. Carbon tax, I just see it as a problem.
     
  8. DennisTate

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    Something especially promising about the turning the deserts green approach….. is that there is an ancient Islamic prophecy that says that this will happen in the "latter days!" This is one of the best possible opening gambits to get the Islamic nations away from ethnic cleansing….. and interested in something positive that will certainly benefit every economy in the Middle East:


    http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/322565-gods-peace-plan-holy-land.html
    God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land
    I read this intriguing plan for peace in the Middle East twice already! It is about fifty pages and well worth your time to consider!


    http://www.godspeaceplan.org/

    (Scroll down to the link: Click Here to Download Your Copy of the Peace Plan).

    Here is a review by an Islamic scholar:……
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    .angelfire.com/moon2/koran...pic_id=1021110
     
  9. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One of the groups of people who might be the most willing to embark on the financing of the project….. would be Mormons…… and I am attempting to get them interested in printing up an LDS Hour or Utah State Dollar??!!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...-could-utah-state-dollar-save-usa-dollar.html

    Could a Utah State Dollar save the USA Dollar?
    Have you seen any of the following films:

    1. The Future of Food
    2. Food Inc
    3. The World According to Monsanto.

    If so..... then you know that the USA dollar to some degree is linked to and backed up by a plan to control the world's production of food in such a way that could eventually produce global famine.


    "George Soros says that America must give up the dollar and accept world currency."
    http://www.examiner.com/article/geor...88381481237582


    Back in 1994 I found out that President Lincoln had saved American taxpayers four billion dollars in interest payments and since that time I have been wondering what alternative was available to improve monetary policy that would not scare the investors on Wall Street.

    A Utah State Dollar could perhaps be the answer!????!!!
     
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    The Sahara Forest Project and Sahara Solar Breeder Project…. both prove that Mr. Carl Cantrell's idea can indeed be done!!!!!

    Yes….. it will be expensive…… but if several groups are operating on the principle that human life has nearly infinite value…… are working in opposition to the Federal Reserve….. whose leadership place high value on oil, gold, silver and other commodities and a low value on human life………… The conflict could make for some interesting documentary footage from our time period as a major transition takes place over to a better world!
     
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    American will not generally be willing to foot the bill….. but Mormons might be!!!!!!!!

    We need a group of people who for some reason or another will tend to recognize the value that would be placed on human life by a being or Beings composed of fundamental energy….. who have invested infinite time in the planing of an essentially infinite number of Big Events over eternity in the past!


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html#a05
     
  12. sawyer

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    LMAO. The answer to all problems real or imagined is always a new tax. Leftist are nothing if not predictable.
     
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    Which will require cutting down more trees to make more paper to print it on so your practical solution will worsen the problem :roflol:

    The only practical solution is to accept that whatever may be at play is beyond human control and roll with the punches. Exporting our pollution with our profits does nothing.
     
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    maybe , but they dont have a fraction of the resources that will be required...
     
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    What's so difficult about collecting tax, it's automatically included in every purchase you make...
     
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    True……. but the productive capability of America is increasing as technology improves…….. and would not really decrease even if the dollar does fall………. The value of the dollar is vulnerable to the fears of people ….. but our population is more educated now so if the dollar falls……. surely companies will attempt to set up a system where they can move a significant percentage of their products…. (God willing)??!!

    Such a high percentage of the value of a currency is psychological….. it is theoretically possible that the LDS could market an LDS Hour…… or Utah State Dollar…. so effectively that it leaps in value at the same time that the dollar falls…. which should tend to decrease the level of upheaval in the economy??!!

    In a sense the USA dollar is actually backed up by the productive capability of America….. The film "Death by China" indicates that we are losing our industrial base… but……. we know that we need to discuss ways to solve this problem and this is one of the best options that I have ran into as I researched this topic for the last 20 years.
     
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    So your talking about a sales tax? I thought we were talking about a carbon tax. A Carbon Tax needs to be implemented worldwide, to all the countries of the world to be equitable. Do you know of any taxes like that right now. I think UN fees are the closest, how are they doing on collecting those?

    If you think it will be easy think about the *********s and militia members in this country right now and how they would respond to a carbon tax. In other countries where the politics aren't so stable the situation will be worse. This is one of my great fears about the Global Warming/Climate Change issue. Since the GW/CC crowd has made it a moral issue, the concept of the green police and green wars is just around the corner. Based on my understanding of History, whenever a group gets in charge and has a moral agenda, persecution follows.
     
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    carbon tax is a sales tax, it can be applied at the source or on import, the producer just passes it on to distributors who pass it on to the consumer...higher fuel costs have already pushed auto manufacturers to produce more efficient vehicles, more efficient home construction and encourage alternate systems of energy generation...the real price of carbon fuels needs to be reflected in the ultimate cost to the planet...
     
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    Economics 101: if you tax something, you get less of it. Rightists are nothing if not economically ignorant.
     
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    The OP is rubbish. Hurricane Sandy was not even a powerful storm, it just hit an expensive area. The rich build more on the edge where the damage will be the greatest. Hardly an argument to tax everyone else to stop it.

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    Yeah, like energy. Lefty brilliance.

    Also when you subsidize something you get more of it. Wouldn't you agree?
     
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    I'm glad you realize that. When you tax earnings you get less earnings.When you tax employers you get less employers. When you tax fossil fuel you get less jobs that fossil fuel represents and in your mind you get less "global warming" but that is in your mind not in reality.
     
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    No, like fossil fuels. The Adventures of Hoosier Can't Read, Chapter 6.
     
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    And that's exactly what we want. Zero fossil fuels and zero jobs in fossil fuels. Every job lost in fossil will be replaced by a job in clean energy.
     
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    Nice fantasy but it will not happen. Green types have a difficult time with reality though.
     
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    The article on the Stanley Meyer hydrogen fuel dune buggy on Peswiki was certainly impressive!


    http://www.theorionproject.org/en/hydroxy.html

    http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Stanley_Meyer
     

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