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Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by Reiver, May 3, 2014.

  1. munter

    munter New Member

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    Agreed, and the recession was started way back in the 80's when Thatcher started to de-regulate the financial industry
     
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    Typically moronic and obtuse post, as expected from a Ukip or Bnp supporter.

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    Venezuela has improved since Chavez took over.

    Much easier to pander to the 'hate' vote - as UKIP and BNP do.
     
  3. Sab

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    the more extreme people are the more hypocritical they become. It may ne a human trait but it is certainly a bad one and rather removes the moral superiority of your condmenation when you practice it yourself. the left and Islam is a clear case in point.
     
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    So most of the State killings were NOT commit by socialist countries? China/USSR/Cambodia? Hilarious

    Venezuala is collapsing because of Chavez. He squandered the pil wealth and the economy has gone to (*)(*)(*)(*)

    FACT: The socialist parties have not acheived a single MEP .UKIP will get plenty
     
  5. munter

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    Many on the Left oppose Islamification, so your generalisations are rather pointless.

    I imagine you are talking about the Liberal Democrats, who are just clones of the Tories.
     
  6. munter

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    The US and Other capitalist imperialists have murdered WAY more people.

    The life of the majority of people has improved under Chavez and Maduro, bearing in mind Venezuela had far more problems before the Socialists came to power.

    And totally pointless bringing Cambodia into the mix here.

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    The Socialist Party England and Wales, do have an image problem, I can agree there.

    However, Marxism of the modern variety is gaining in strength - Left Unity for example.
     
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    well you can give the figures then for the people the USA have murdered. rea ones of course not some arbitary figure plucked from the air.

    Left unity have won exactly how many seats?

    Venezuala is in economic meltdown
     
  8. Reiver

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    You've used a red herring as you don't have an argument. Try again. This time make it relevant to what I say
     
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    Indeed! We even got a UKIPer say 'we don't support the financial bailouts' whilst simultaneously supporting right wing economics that delivered the need for those bailouts. The jury is therefore still out. We don't know how many of the UKIPers are right wing authoritarians and how many are just making a vote based on misinformation
     
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    Most right wingers I come across in real life don't care too much about the issues, all they want is a right wing party in power, whatever the outcome

    kind of says it all really
     
  11. Reiver

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    UKIP have been successful in herding the gullible amongst the left. Fear shepherding
     
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    There seems to be a lack of viable alternatives, as any party with the world 'Socialist' in it just sends people running.

    That's the insidious power of neo-liberalism - soft power extraordinnaire!
     
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    Nothing to do with neo-liberalism if you ask me. Indeed, I have plenty of opportunities (with preference for direct action where tangible gains are secured)

    The good thing about the left is its more heterogeneous. That ensures a vibrancy such that tabloidism has less of an impact
     
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    I don't think that having 21 different Trotskyist internationals helped .
     
  15. Reiver

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    Attended a dinner party once which descended into Marxist versus Feminist fisticuffs. Makes a difference from moaning about Eastern Europeans
     
  16. munter

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    agreed, too much factionalism - for instance, in UK, Socialist Party and Socialist Workers Party are almost enemies - down to tiny differences in views over the Soviet Union.

    Micro-dogma adherence needs to be shed if you ask me
     
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    Nonsense. The Socialist Workers Party are full of authoritarians and should be treated as the enemy
     
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    the enemy of whom?
     
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    The left. They're a godsend for the centre right, with snide efforts at trying to dominate popular movements
     
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    Talking about tiny differences , Marxist-Leninist communist party split ~15 years ago into Marxist-Leninist communist party and communist Marxist-Leninist party , the reason was that one of the guys in CC porked GS's wife , no i am not (*)(*)(*)(*)ting you !

    The best part is that some of this clowns when they split they organize something like Nicaea Synod , new books appear in libraries and old ones that do not agree with the new doctrine are trashed . This is how i got some really rare books (literally from the trash bin) , almost the entire collection from Balkan leaders like Hohxa , Tito and Dimitrov !!

    On topic i think that all those dictatorisks are putting their personal ambitions above the ideals.
     
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    Wow. 2 agreements in a day. the SWP are utter utter scum. To call them authoritarian is an understatement

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    3 agreements. They seem to take over everything.
     
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    So does anyone actually know what the difference between SWP and SPEW is anyway? :wink:
     
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    This thread isn't about scumbags like the SWP. Could you take it elsewhere? I'm still hoping for a UKIPer to actually present a valid argument
     
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    Presenting valid arguments to a bigot like you is a waste of time. You don't want an argument; you just want to lob your hackneyed prejudices at UKIP supporters. That's not how grown up debate works.
     
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    Socialism isn´t only the Misery of Philosophy...it´s worst.. It is the Philosophy of Misery!
     

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