Settlements liable to turn Israel into an apartheid state

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right. The Arabs attacked the Jews in the Yishuv in 1947.
     
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    moon Well-Known Member

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    It was an ethnic war declared by the Arabs that refused to share the land, their refusal and threats are well recorded, their attacks such as sniper fire and high road rapes and murders are well documented as well,

    Your claims Arabs were peacful contredict records in the UN, enough with the false propaganda - you wont have a country until you take responsibility for you actions, unless you make Jordan your home.
     
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    The Zionists didn't take it out on those who offered armed resistance to having their country stolen. They took it out on old men, women and children as they destroyed hundreds of Palestinian villages and ethnically cleansed their populations. It was the tactics of the Nazis- and it will never be forgotten. Israel is stained. Indelibly.
     
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    Well...there is a fairly large amount of history to go into with Israel in it's beginnings. Where do you want me to start?

    Do we start with the fact that the nation of Israel was not a legal creation, but rather a revolutionary affirmation confirmed by occupiers of a land they were imported into by foreign powers after they successfully forced their patrons to retreat after violently ousting them (the British) when they tried to settle the conflict they created by bringing those people into the region in the first place?

    Do we start with the fact that Israel is, perhaps, the first state to be created on the grounds of terrorist actions? The Jews were so hostile to their Arab neighbors that the British tried to reign them in and establish some order. The Jews then turned on the British- their various hostilities culminating in the infamous King David Hotel Bombing, which effectively ended the British role in the area.

    Do we start with the fact of this idiotic concept of "land restoration" to the Jews? Since when is this a legal concept? And if it, then why isn't it applied world-wide. The Aborigine's of Australia would be very happy. The Native American's of the US and Canadian territories would be happy (if there was enough of them left). So many people would happily reclaim their land. Of course...so many people would have overlapping claims to the land also. After all...before the Jews, other people lived there. After the Jews, other people lived there.

    Ultimately, however, we'd have to ask legal as definied by whom? The world? No. The Middle Eastern states. No. The nation of Israel was forced on them against their will, and against their objections. In the end, the victors of WW2 decided that this was where they would place Jewish people. It's about as legal as the formation of the United States of America.

    They, actually, have continuously violated international law (as well as the US, but the US is not held accountable to international law) since their formation. Their nuclear program and their settlement issue are two of the more infamous ones. To believe that any state is "good" is foolish, but to believe one so nakedly foul is good is either self-deception or an attmept to deceive.
     
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    actually, according to their plans and rules of engagement, that's EXACTLY what they did.
     
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    Since when did a nation of peoples not refuse to "share" their land?
     
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    Gilos post was about sharing the land, not sharing their land....It was not their land to share. Nice try buddy, typical cheap cheating of the israel-hate mob.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    according to the natural laws of conquest, any land conquered by a people becomes the property of said people.
     
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    The land belonged to the Arabs, and thus they had the authority to decide wether they wanted to share it. What colonial powers and Jewish Europeans thought is inconsequential.
     
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    The Arabs conquered the land from non-Arabs.

    And the Jews conquered the land from the Arabs.
     
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    Mod Edit ~ Don't make it personal Individual arab landowners owned about 45% of the land and the Arab partition got about 45% of the [best] regional land....third individual arab landowners remained owners of their private land within the Israeli side of the partition. What exactly is your problem, besides hating the idea of a Jewish majority state's existence in the middle east.
     
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    Incorrect, as Gilos did not even expound on his claim.

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    I agree.
     
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    Then on the same coin - now it belongs to us, those that say otherwise are welcome to try and take it, its ours now and thats that.

    Change your approach and so shall we.
     
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    Big words from a semi-legitimate entity just 66 years old. I hope to see such an attitude taken down by international law in the foreseeable future. Otherwise it's a safe bet, imho, that the vast historic weight of the Middle East will, at some future date, swallow ' Israel' whole. It's Israelis who had better adjust their behaviour.
     
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    Typical, be rude and insult then b!tch when you get a slap for it,

    Im fine waiting to that future date, if you are having troubles waiting I suggest you try some respect instead of insults.
     
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    What are you saying ? To what ' rudeness ' and to which ' insults ' do you refer ?
     
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    Hold on a second. Post 264 is rude. You seem to be forgetting it's incumbent on law breakers to change their ways by adhering to the law.
     
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    Moon you clearly support the right of Israel to acquire territory through military conquest, or is it only legitimate when Russia does it? I'm confused.
     
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    Post #260 which I answered and you jumped in, I consider rude and insulting to our indipendance. which is why post # 264 was just a finger instead of a hand shake. see how that works ? there are alos some youtube movies on etiquette if you serious about it.
     
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    Exactly, its rude because 260 is rude to me, I give the same finger im presented with.
     
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    Far be it for me to be obliged to address your confusion- but Crimea was never legally separated from its mother country- Russia. The ' annexation ' by Ukraine was always a sham.

    Israel on the other hand stinks of greed and illegal practices.
     
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    So I wasn't ' rude and insulting ' at all. It was just that something I wrote exposed another area of Zionist criminality. OK, fine.
     
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    No....we just kicked your asses when you wanted to drive us away, not greed but simple survivel, the fuel that kept the fire going was supplied by you between 49-67, you lost and b!tch about it ever since.
     
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    Who is the "your" you are talking about? International law insists you be driven back, so deal with it. You'll survive just fine within the 67 line where you belong.
     

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