Christians should understand how the non religious feel

Christians, would/do you like it if/when other religions would/try to impose their beliefs on to you? Probably not, eh?

So you should understand the non religious better now.

 

ah, okay.

but since you mention it ....... have you ever tried the social experiment (a la John Safran) in which you doorknock folk in known religious area to tell them the good news about atheism? or even Satanism? they just LOVE that, if by love we mean chased off the property at gunpoint.

 

Lotta people out there trying to impose their beliefs on me, usually just before they ask for money. Not only about religion either. Freedom of speech, baby. Sometimes it's a biotch, but the good news is you don't have to listen. Close the door, hang up the phone, change the channel.

 

all doable, and done by me regularly. not so easy to chase off the relatives/friends/w'tevas who take small children aside and whisper things like "if you don't believe in sky fairy a, b, or c, you'll go to hell.

 

You think that happens these days? Boy howdy, if mom or dada finds out there's gonna be a serious fracas. How about when some arrogant atheist who thinks he knows what's best for everybody takes small children aside and tells then God is dead, there is no God? I would not have a friend who did either of those things, and I would have nothing to do with a relative like that either.

 

So why do leftist continually force their beliefs on others?

They dont like someones speech they push to have them sacked
They believe in racist AA policies
They force wealth redistribute, taking property from one person and giving it to another.
Min wage: If i agree to work for $5/ hour to build experience, i cant

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It is really no different than telling a child that God is real.

It is Just on the other side of the issue

And do you think its appropriate to tell a child about god flooding earth and killing nearly all living beings on it? Or sets fire to cities?

 

Are going non religious individuals to try and impose their beliefs on to Christians?

When I say "beliefs" with reference to non religious persons, I intend "culture", "tradition", "ideology", "fashion", "education" ...

 

As a non christian I'm not insulted in the least whenever I see or hear anyone pray, talk about god, say merry christmas, or anything else of that vain. I can say however that I am offended when you have people telling others that they can't do those things. If someone wants to say a prayer at graduation let them. If a store employee wants to say merry christmas or whatever else their belief is then let them. But don't become the people you're griping and moaning about. You're just a part of the problem.

And one final thing, yes I know their are militant religious types. They suck too. My comment is in regards to your everyday average christian, jew, muslim, buddhist or whatever else is out there.

 

Im part of the problem because i do not want religious bigots trying to control my country? (*)(*)(*)(*) that noise

 

And I'd rather not have atheist bigots trying to control my country either so right back at ya buddy.

 

You're better off under a secular government.

 

I'll decide where I'm better off under and it's certainly not under a secular government.

 

For someone who produces a thread urging one side to understand the viewpoint of the other, you're displaying a view of how the Christians in question think that implies that you haven't even considered seeing things from their perspective. If you would not accept "you'd be better off under a Christian government" as an argument, what makes you think they'll accept "you'd be better off under a secular government"?

 

There is a huge difference between promoting a belief that has no scientific basis in reality and promoting something that does have at least some standing in science. That said each and every person should be able to conduct their lives as they see fit, if that requires the belief in a god of some description then so be it .. however, when those beliefs are forced onto others that IMHO crosses the line.

now I just know that someone is going to try to reverse the above and say something like "well I don't want your beliefs forced onto me or mine", the difference is the beliefs I adhere to can be shown to have a basis is fact, god's do not, if god's can be shown to have a basis in facts then belief no longer is required, because belief is the status of not requiring facts or proof.

Belief - An acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof:

 

Then you live in the wrong place. For a secular government is Constitutionally mandated here.

 

I think we'd be better off under a moral government. If the underlying morality of the government is Cristian in nature, so be it. However, allowing a particular sect to have direct control of a government is a recipe for disaster. Many religious imperatives are simply not practical or even possible on a national scale.

 

Proof: evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept it as true.
Fact: something believed to be true or real.

Both of those definitions can be found at www.thefreedictionary.com under their respective labels... Fact and Proof.

Where did you obtain your definition of "belief"?

 

Well if theyre against gay marriage they dont have to get married to the same sex. If they dont like abortion as a choice then dont have one.

 

Not really, no. With what they see on TV and movies though, not sure it's a big deal any more. That's where the parents come in and make sure the little ones that haven't quite grown enough to recognize reality from fiction have to make sure they don't see it or hear until they're ready.

 

I do not think there any facts whatsoever that confirm or deny the existence of a deity, but any name. Did you post actual facts to prove there is no God? I must've missed it.

 

I can't help but think that this has very little to do with the post you quoted. In fact, this post strengthens the notion that you're not really interested in seeing their side of the story, since you intentionally (I presume) misrepresent their position.

 

I live in a place where a government and it's people are free to believe in whatever they want. In my experience secularists would have it where no one who is religious would be allowed a seat in government, or they would have to be absolutely mum on their beliefs. So again, I'd rather not have a secularist government.

 

Government is not "free" to "believe" whatever it wants. People are, and that is how it should be. You cannot, however, legislate your religious tenants into law unless there is a compelling secular reason.

 

This is not in fact a reply to Swensson's question. He is pointing out your lack of empathy. For example, should someone view gay sex as morally wrong it is easy to see why they would want to make it illegal for gay couples to marry. Before you say it doesn't affect me, let me add that though I've never been murdered, I know murder is wrong and support its illegality.