Bergdahl scandal; a Veteran's perspective

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  1. stjames1_53

    stjames1_53 Banned

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    all renderings come from a hearing. Infractions that violate your terms of enlistment are punishable under the UCMJ.
    I have had enough experience, personally, to know the difference. You, on the other hand, have none, nada, zip.
     
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    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    The AG of the United States has nothing to do with the UCMJ. It is not in his jurisdiction.
     
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    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    Yes, they may be punishable under the UCMJ. But the UCMJ has judicial and non judicial punishments. What you are constantly harping about is non judicial punishment. And the main difference between the UCMJ and the civilian law is that the UCMJ is narrow whereas the civilian is broad. Yet in both circumstances, your rights are still there, but bound by the contract you sign.
     
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    your jury is strictly officers. Scrubbing a latrine for idleness is non-judicial, desertion is not. UA after 24 hours requires a hearing, then it may be forwarded to the higher authority.
    and you still know nothing..go back and watch JAG, that is where your expertise is coming from.
     
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    I was marine infantry and was deployed to the Sunni Triangle in Iraq during 2007 but that doesn't give me any special insight into the appropriateness of the exchange or of this soldier's actions. Vets should keep their service to themselves, unless someone asks them about it or it has direct relevance to a discussion.

    Personally, even if everything you say about him is true (the situation is very murky), I still have a problem condemning him for deserting or Obama for getting him back. Both wars were perpetrated under false pretenses and resulted in the continuous death of innocent people. Each marine, soldier, sailor, or airman has an individual moral and ethical obligation to follow their conscience first. Following orders and performing dodgy contracts are not a valid excuse for immorality. If anyone should be put on trial, it's the liars and crooks who started these wars.
     
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    nothing i say affects how it plays out

    my intention is to depoliticize this incident and show that his guilt or innocence is a matter of law, not politics
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Early on in Obama's first term we learned via a former Justice Dept.
    official {acting as Whistleblower} as to exactly what AG Holder's policy was to be at Justice.
    It was a policy of ignoring civil cases where there are Black Defendants
    and highlighting cases where there are White defendants.
    In short meaning it's time to play the Racial game.Go after whitey
    and ignore black offenses.No finer example than the " Knockout Game "
    national phenomena.
     
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    Yes, there will be a hearing. Article 15 or article 32? Right now, the only evidence that is available to the public is that he is UA. There is no evidence that he deserted. To meet that definition, you would have to prove in an Article 32 hearing that it was permanent. So far, you don't have that, not even with him inquiring about shipping his personal computer home. In a court court martial hearing, you cannot speculate at all except in very few cases.

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    As for the jury, an enlisted man may request enlisted persons to serve on the jury. They cannot be more than 1/3 of the jury.
     
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    sparquelito Banned at Members Request

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    Alwayssa,
    All my stalkers are fairly benign and harmless people.
    Very rarely do they show up at my door wanting anything from me.

    Seriously though, I don't especially fear any harm from people knowing where I live, or even what my cell number is.
    I don't post my SSN, credit card information, or my mom's maiden name online.

    The one thing I generally NEVER do though, in the name of avoiding burglaries, is to tell everybody I am going off on an away mission, or traveling somewhere for the weekend.
    THAT would be an invitation to an unwanted home invasion.

    One thing I have learned over many years on the internet boards (allforums.com, kiowapilots.com, rpm354.net, axecentral.com, etc) is that if I am open about who I am, where I reside, and what my feelings are on the most important topics, then people are less likely to dismiss me as just some internet persona or avatar.

    The internet affords many, many people the opportunity to express themselves, and to (as you have probably surmised) become larger-than-life characters. A lot of guys and gals become something online that they really are not in real life.

    I prefer to be myself, and to never try to sell anybody on any illusions or lies.
    The truth, as I have learned in the past few decades is a wonderful constant.
    When you are always open, honest, and transparent, you never have to struggle to remember the stories you told yesterday.
    Or words to that effect.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Eric Holder has a lot more to do with things than meets the eye.
    It was Holder who leaked and used his authority to influence the F.B.I.
    when they mounted a secret investigation into General Petraeus for
    possible adultery { Womanizing}.Of course Eric Holder,a liar just like
    Obama and Susan Rice acting dumbfounded as to how the F.B.I.'s
    secret investigation into Petraeus got made public.
    It got leaked as a way to shame and intimidate the general so as to
    force him to retire and also keep his mouth shut as to what exactly he knew
    as CIA chief about Benghazi.It also drove an entire news cycle for a full week,thus
    taking the heat off Benghazi and any pesky critics.
    Notice how Democrats Love a cushy double standard.Obama and a few
    democrat are now bragging that we as Americans have a long tradition
    of NEVER leaving our men in arms Behind.What ever happened to that Notion
    on the night of the Benghazi attack. Where was Mr. Obama and his pledge
    to Never leave a man behind that night.
    The Media wasn't even allowed to Ask where Obama was throughout the
    entire night,when 4 Good Americans were literally fighting for their lives
    and pleading for Help.
    What stunning and absurdist hypocrisy.
     
  12. Alwayssa

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    Sorry, this is not something Eric Holder is going to touch. This is under Title 10 of the USC. The two prmary people right now are the SecDEf and the SecArmy. They have the ball in their court and they will be patient.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yer a Jacka$$.Just like our president and Susan Rice.
    Like Peggy Noonan just said on - Face the Nation -. That this bunch in the
    White House appear to take Desertion about as gravely as not turning in one's
    homework. Which is a great analogy.
    Our military knew within 24 hrs the status of this Buck private { bergdhal }.
    That he left { walked off his Post } and that he had been planning to do just that
    via the many comments he made and E-mails.
    He was not left behind or got lost on a mission.He Deserter. Was not captured
    on the battlefield.That makes it sound Heroic.Exactly what to expect from this
    near traitorous bunch in the WH.Bergdhal was on guard duty and left his post,willingly.
    Again the double standard hypocrisy.Just like the Stimulus bill where within
    a couple weeks of taking office Obama runs around using the word " Urgent "
    to force a Stimulus bill vote.
    Obama using the urgency to release Sgt.Bergdhal when he did.
    Now were being told to just WAIT. Wait until all the facts are in.
    Wait a little longer while Bergdhal rests a little more in German hospital.
    The guy can't even call his parents,for cryin' out loud.
    Vietnam POW's when released,some being held captive for 7 years
    spent a total of a few days resting before returning home.
    This is all a big scam.Bergdhal is probably being debriefed and also brainwashed.
    Programmed to say whatever narrative fits an Obama friendly conclusion.
    Like that Dopey Benghazi ARB where the name Obama never appears and
    Hillary is only mentioned Once.
     
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    then, like always, you need to volunteer your specialized services to defend him........let us know how your submission works
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Anyone who thinks for a split second that our Military hasn't been
    infiltrated with an Obama czar mindest has more than a few screws loose.
    Obama has been purging the Military of great patriots for a few years.
    Over 200 generals,admirals,captains,colonels and other ranking military
    have been forced out as of LAST year at this time.Look what happened to
    General Petraeus.The Pentagon and State Dept. have been corrupted.
    There's no way that a Demsey or any other cabinet official is gonna do the
    right thing.Fox just had on a couple generals { McInerny } who said
    that EVERY Military recommendation that was presented to President
    Obama,every one including the surge was rejected.Obama seems to delight
    in rejecting any and all Military expertise and recommendation.
    So now we're to believe ,just wait, be patient and let the top brass do their
    Job.The report on Sgt.Bergdhal's AWOL status and Desertion has already
    been determined.It's 5 years old.Just release it.Just release the buck private also.
    Of course we ALL know why this is being slow-walked.So the fix can be put in.
     
  16. Alwayssa

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    That is only if he requests any civilian attorney. That is his choice,

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    This makes absolutely no sense.
     
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    so, now you are a licensed practicing attorney........................ you should have no problems volunteering your services and they're going to jump allover it, of course. Surely you must be licensed in that state...........or many to do this.....pass the barr and let us know how that turns out, also. Let us know how all of THAT turns out
    I suspect more of a shade tree attorney.
     
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    no one I ever served with wanted such a distinction. They and I always felt we just did our duty not only to our country, but to our brothers in arms.
    Those who sought such statuses usually ended up quite dead .................
     
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    Never said me James. But Sgt Bergdahl may request a civilian attorney since his grade is E-5 or above. Again, it is a long way off for any court marital. And that DoD investigation will need to be completed first before any other step is taken.

    For the attorney, it is more than being a member of the state bar, you must be approved by the U.S. federal court system to practice federal law. The lawyer does not have to be licensed in the same state where the Sgt is from.

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    And Sgt Bengdahl has never claimed to be a hero. Never made any statements to that effect.
     
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    And I reject your arrogant opinions as fact.
    The fact is that NSPS was a flawed mess that perpetuated inequalities in pay and discriminated against employees based on race and gender and was vetoed because it was worse than what it was supposed to replace.
    I'm not surprised that someone like you had a hand in crafting that dog.
    So stuff the insults and arrogance and grow up.
    You ain't fooling anyone with this nonsense.
     
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    I hadn't noted this case until [Italian medias are concentrate on something else, as usual].

    Honestly, from an Italian perspective I have been totally disconcerted by the behavior of US Administration in this case. Personally I expected such an "unsuitable" [I'm fair] behavior from an Italian government of the worse kind [Obama has reminded to me the old and incredible Christian Democrat way to manage a crisis like this].

    The United States :flagus: have been a model of integrity and a leader country to follow also abroad. Many European and not European soldiers have served with US forces around the world, following that flag :flagus: [do you still know that flag, on the other side of the ocean?].

    I'm I wrong, or once from the United States came a statement which still resounds in the memory of all the men and the women have served in all the theaters of operation ... United We Stand.

    I don't talk about any eventual military past, but allow me to underline that now, I'm really, really ... what? Bewildered is just a word.
     
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    You're casting pearls before swine with this.
    Their hatred of Obama has crippled their hearts and minds to the point of no return.
     
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    Pigs are intelligent creatures and given the right environment make amenable pets. :D
     
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    Lol...You're right. I shouldn't insult pigs by comparing them to cons.
     

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