Iraq: The Bush Legacy

I remember sitting on the living room couch watching Bush give the State of the Union adress in 2002. When he got to those words "axis of evil", I told my wife "that idiot is going to start a war in the Middle East".

About that time, Vanity Fair did a puff piece on Ahmed Chalabi, too.

Oil and gold immediately shot up as the world's financial markets and foreign policy experts discounted the judgment of the neo cons.

BTW, if you want a real laugh, American Stinker has a piece on Iraq containing all the talking points we've been reading from the parochial right in this thread. It quotes PNAC alum, Max Boot extensively. Irony of ironies, Chalabi is a villian in Boot's comments!!!!

 

I remember it all well.. and you are very well informed.

I will have to find that American Stinker article on the PNAC signatories.

 

No, Obama can't give them more power. But he can put pressure on the government to do it. We still give Iraq a lot of money. We supply them with equipment and parts. That is part of a Presidents foreign policy and Obama failed to do anything in that regard, except try and take credit with Iraq. It's no wonder Iraq is like it is if you think like the other Liberals think.

 

I am not a liberal.. Putting pressure on Maliki won't make a difference..

The looting of Mosul’s central bank, to the effect of $429 million and large amounts of gold bullion, has made ISIS the richest terrorist force in the world.

 

We're not living in the past. We're living today and it's time to look at today. Should I go back and look at Vietnam where over 10 times American soldiers were killed and for what? Vietnam wasn't our problem. They had nothing we wanted. So lets get up to date and look at what is happening now. But I know to do that, you Liberals have to look at the actions of your own President and we know you don't want to do that.

 

Gee, how did they do that? How did they get their convoys in those cities to rob those banks? Wonder how many weapons the ISIS can buy with all that money?

 

To stop the expansion of communism. Remember Cuba? The soviet union... threat of nuclear bombs? famine in the Ukraine.. It was a different time with real repercussions at that time. It's hard to image that now - the iphone generation.

 

You've made excuses for Bush and his war historically on these pages.

You seem be intelligent enough to realize that offering up the old rationalizations won't do any good now.

We can certainly talk about the present.

The right wing line as of the end of last week is that Obama bungled Iraq by not signing a Status of Forces Agreement. Several righties falsely accused the President of refusing to negotiate with Malaki, which is patently false.

Makaki wanted the American military out. It's presence undermined what little legitmacy his government had.

None of us who pay attention to what goes on in the world are particularly shocked by what is happening in Iraq.

Sunni militants, allied with sunni islamic fundamentalists, are taking their country back, after being deposed by the American invastion. That's what's going on, and it has been on a low boil pretty much since the invasion in 2003. This is only new news in Fox world.

The disintegration of Iraq has been predicted for over a decade.

You can rant your partisan rant all you want, but we all know that you won't support a full scale US invastion of Iraq (with adequate forces this time), pay taxes to finance it, or anything like that.

I realize that the current right wing line is that things would be AOK if we'd only left 10-15000 troops behind. But Iraq almost blew completely apart in 2006, when we had TEN times as many troops there. So the idea is little more than another ludicurous talking point parroted by people who are watching the untimate blowback of the Bush foreign policy legacy.

Because that's the only way we are going to prevent the Malaki government from collapsing. And it would be fool's errand, as we would be fighting the very same people all over again, with no end in sight.

Which leaves you with nothing to say but bluster and finger point.

No, that's the present for you!

 

Don't waste too much time on it! It is American Stinker after all. No reason to take it seriously!

 

Here it is.

I had forgotten to close the tab! Even the title is ludicrous!!!!!

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/06/if_there_is_one_article_you_read_today_on_iraq.html

 

... can't honestly admit what a monumental fiasco launching a two-trillion dollar nation-building gambit in Iraq has been.

Facilitating the ascendancy of a corrupt Shia thug, whose subservience to his co-religionists in neighbouring Iran has diminished tensions between those two nations, is hardly worth the price America actually paid (in sharp contrast to how little those agitating for the foreign policy disaster were claiming it would cost.)

Wolfowitz, the Bush's Secretary of Defense, infamously predicted the war reconstruction effort could pay for itself from Iraqi oil revenue (The cost to Americans is now estimated to be more than $2 trillion.)

William Kristol, a strident cheerleaded as a member of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, a coalition of neoconservatives pushing for military invention,predicted the Iraq conflict was "going to be a two month war." (The war lasted approximately 104 months.) In his appearance before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee urging military action, he proclaimed that "American and alliance forces will be welcomed in Baghdad as liberators."

Inconvenient truths for those who try to avoid being exposed as so tragically wrong, but a documented part of the record, nonetheless.



"We know where they are. They [WMD] are in the
area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west,
south and north - somewhat."

Wrong.

 

Al Qaeda Resurgent: The Obama Legacy

Not surprising given that utterly clueless progs like Barack Obama thought the war against Sunni Islamist jihadism/takfirism could be won in the remote hinterlands of the Hindu Kush and that the killing of Osama bin Laden would magically make al Qaeda and the Jihadist Internationale magically disappear.

Try and blame that on an anti-Islam video, Obama worshippers...

 

Saddam got over 90% of the vote, as a Jihadist who was not colon cleansing, so percentage wise we probably owe Iraq several million deaths, we simply did not kill enough as is 100% evident by recent developments; if you don’t want your Moslems to die after we get regime change tell them to wear proper clothing and don’t have terrorist leaders, because at first sight everyone holding up the terrorist leader is a terrorist. And I simply see no reason for our troops to take any chances when confronted with such weapons. I only support carpet bombing of countries that don't get their mind right the first time.

 

Not just once, but over and over and over again.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-touts-al-qaeda-s-demise-32-times-benghazi-attack-0

Obama's constant claims that he has presided over the demise of Al Qaeda have been as laughably wrong as they are numerous.
And while his winged monkey minions hoot and jeer at what Bush did in Iraq they seem to have nothing to say as Obama merely sits and mutely watches as Iraq continues to sink into chaos.

 

I don't know what's more ridiculous - Obama's claims that AQ was "on the run" or the revisionist history of Obama worshippers where they vainly attempt to absolve Democrats of their own part in authorizing the use of force in Iraq. A pack of pathological liars, one and all...

 

One only need look at the packs of serial disinformationalists that run around howling at PF to realize that. As befitting the party of children they won't accept responsibility and nothing is ever their fault.

 

Speaking of shovel ready jobs!

The war in Iraq was Bush's idea from start until he walked away. 100% of Republicans voted for it. Every Democrat could have voted against it, and it would have still happened.

No one was calling for a war in Iraq before George W Bush. Your oft recycled collection of throwaway quotes don't refute either fact.

There was no Al Quida in Iraq before the US invasion, lending the lie to another of your claims.

 

But that didn't happen...did it? Plenty of democrats (58% of dem senators, 40% of dem representatives) voted to authorize military action in Iraq.
Why not take a little responsibility for once?

There were forerunners of Al Qaeda in Hussein's Iraq (Ansar al Islam). Please don't think otherwise.

 

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This is what happens when you have a totally weak Commander in Chief and your last two Secretary of State's were horrible at their job too.

 

What clothing did the 9-11 hijackers wear?

 

Ansar al Islam ???

Ansar al-Islam was formed in September 2001 from a merger of Jund al-Islam (Soldiers of Islam), led by Abu Abdullah al-Shafi'i, and a splinter group from the Islamic Movement of Kurdistan led by Mullah Krekar. Krekar became the leader of the merged Ansar al-Islam, which opposed an agreement made between IMK and the dominant Kurdish group in the area, Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK). The group later made an allegiance to al-Qaeda and allegedly received direct funds from the terror network.[5]

Ansar al-Islam initially comprised approximately 300 men, many of these veterans from the Soviet-Afghan War, and a proportion being neither Kurd nor Arab. During its stay in the Biyara region near the Iranian border, there were allegations of logistical support from "powerful factions in Iran." wiki

 

I just love your thought process. Guess we now have the right to invade any country with organophosphates. Hell, let's start with South Carolina a little shock and awe might bring them into the twenty first century.

 

Hahahaha... Pesticides and fertilizer.

It sure gets stupid.. Fertilizer is a by-product of refining oil.

 

Ah yes, the infamous "Axle of Elvis" address. I also recall saying almost the same thing as you to my work colleagues and concluding it would end very badly.

 

Now there is the true adult showing in you.