UNRWA condemns the usage of Gazan children as human shields by Hamas

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    He did not mean it as rude. It comes across that way on a board. He meant for all readers to go find out for themselves when he says pay attention.

    UNRWA 's sudden exposure of Hamas is questionable. They assisted Hamas openly in the last intifada. I find it interesting they are trying to separate from Hamas' war activities. As far as I am concerned they have blood on their hands exposing Palestinians to death allowing themselves to be used as a terrorist tool. Why the sudden change? Everyone knows Hamas has been using its schools, mosques, hospitals,community centres,ambulances,
    to store and shoot weapons. Why did UNRWA suddenly notice this?

    In one sense if they are cleaning up their act good. However me I will never trust the UN again. After what they have done to Israel, their ineptitude in Rwanda, Mali, Sudan, Tibet, excuse me if I have given up on the UN. I find any merit or good will it had went down the toilet years ago. To see someone like North Korea or Ghaddafi of Libya chair its Human Rights Committee was a travesty. UNWRA created a new definition for refugee no other refugee but Palestinians have. It also openly violated its charter and engaged in war against Israel in the past and knowingly assisted Hamas in terror operations.
     
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    And one that will be used to legitimate every excess from the Gaza strip, since it is an act of oppression.
    Since when are we friend, you and I?

    The blockade was there even in times of peace.

    Hu-huh.
     
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    What an absolutely ridiculous thing for you to state. You clearly are yet another armchair expert on counter-terrorism operations. First off do you even know what breaching and sweeping means? Well? Lol you throw those terms out to try sound like some kind of security expert, but here's a loud hint, counter-terror soldiers don't sweep and breach. What a dumb thing to say.

    Now explain how one breaches and sweeps let alone does it door to door in Gaza and how this is done by overweight police in the US.

    You need to cease with the comments. You have no clue what the reality is on the ground in Gaza and why conventional police door to door search tactics would not be used.

    By the way, if you knew anything about the police you would know they in fact use SWAT teams that are brought in to look for terrorists or armed suspects in civilian settings. There are federal enforcement agencies that specialize in house to house or building to building but they have specialized training. You want to call DEA, Bureau of Tobbacco and Firearm, Treasury, Secret Service of Treasury.Homeland security officers fat do you?

    You wan to suggest the inner city special squads set up to go after violent gangs are fat? Boy are you out of it.

    Us police forces and state and federal agencies are trained in house to house techniques, the exact same ones used by the US and Israel in military operations door to door searching for terrorists and the exact same tactics used by the Germans, British, Canadians, Dutch, Polish, French.

    The tactics Israel uses are a bit more cutting edge and then shared with the US and others. They are used by the Chinese armed forces when dealing with Muslim terrorists as well.

    You are a fool to call the police overweight. Its a pathetic insult to the kind of training SWAT and specially trained units undergo. Get with it. Regular police are not sent in as a primary force after known suspects holding people hostage.

    Hard as it may be for you to fathom as well, the IDF is not a police force. If you can not figure the difference out between a police sweep and a counter-terrorist operation do everyone a favour and go find out.
     
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    In regards to 1,the blockade is used to intercept weapons and material to be used as weapons by Hamas.

    In regards to 2, what world do you live in. Hamas has never been at peace with Israel.It has continued shooting in missiles to Israel, digging tunnels,
    sending in people to try infiltrate and kill Israelis non stop.It has never been at peace with Israel.

    Can you at least make an effort to find out what is going on. Yet another armchair expert.Seriously can you please find out what Hamas has been doing non stop the last twenty years. At peace with Israel, right. Its been in a declared state of war with Israel and engaged in war non stop for over 20 years.
     
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    I know what reality is like on the ground in Gaza just as much as you do. Doesn't change the fact that Israel intentionally targets civilians as part of its military doctrine.
     
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    And an ally of Hamas. They are Hamas' voice in the UN.
     
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    Not just weapons - but also agricultural goods and machinery, among other. the goal of the blocked is to eliminate Gaza's capacity for resistance, including economic resistance.

    The zionists have the luxury to consider themselves at war with Palestine when it is actually convenient to do so. Colonists are taking land as we speak in the West Bank - Still "war", I suppose?

    Yes, yes, the angelic Israelis are the real victims here, Of course.
    For a country that's been "at war" since its inception, Israel is doing quite fine thank you.
     
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    It's a figure of speech sort of like calling everybody you don't agree with a Zionist, your Hamasbara English teacher can fill you in.

    When was this peace treaty signed, by whom and what was it titled?

    Yep. Now scoot, go find us this peace treaty that would have to be in place to have "times of peace."
     
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    It's a figure of speech that show how much subtility you have.

    Relative peace, as what happens after a cease-fire. You guys really like convenient war, do you? When Israel steals lands or blockade a population, it "just war" but when a Palestinian kill an Israeli - woops! Treason! Terrorism! Totally unwarranted for and out of the blue!

    Do you consider Isreal at war with the West Bank? If so, why, since Israel designated its leader, and if it isn't so, then why is Israel taking land out there as we speak? The answer's as obvious as the elephant that's crapping everywhere in the living room and that you yet refuse to see: Peace would benefit Israel a lot less than war.
     
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    A vacant school being used by UNRWA workers, and civilians and staff were at risk. It's in the article.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I believe over 90% of staff are themselves Palestinians.
     
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    Ha ha ha.

    A state of war will continue to exists for as long as Israel wants war. And Israel wants war because war is profiteable for Israel. What the Palestinians do, or do not do, is of little relevance to the pursuit or war or peace. For them, it's damn if you do, damn if you don't; If they sit around peacefully, their economical structure and territory will collapse from the Israeli stranglehold. If they decide to do someting about it, their economical structure and territory will also collapse from the Israeli stranglehold.

    Was there a state of war between Jews and Germany in 1933? Of course there was, the nazis will answer. Was there something the Jews could have done about it? Following your logic, I am pretty sure that the fact that it was war excuses Germany of all wrongdoings it could have committed towards Jews, Romas or gays, amarite? I mean... It was war!
     
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    Tee he he

    Strange, Israel is not the ones who declared it or sends rockets into Gaza and, refused the Egyptian brokered ceasefire. Looks like your idiocy needs a bit of tuning up.

    If it were war then there would have to be armed conflict between the two but there wasn't rather it was persecution and genocide.
     
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    Israel "declared war" on Palestine well before May 1948. Ever heard of Der Yassin? Before that, they "declared war" on the British authority, too.

    If you are a non-jew living in the levant, chances are that you have declared war on Israel, even thought you may not know it...

    Oh but there was. Against "Jewish terrorists" this time. It was a totally legit war, y' see, just like the one you're enjoying so much right now in the safe comfort of your remote home.

    Besides, it wasn't genocide before 1941 - up to there, it was all good, honest persecution just like what presently happens in the occupied territories, and that you fully support. :clapping:
     
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    Strange, there never was a nation called 'Palestine' at that time.

    How cute, a Jihadi playing the informed one. Here, to help you and set you on the right track is some information on who can declare war and make it stick;

    "A declaration of war is a formal act by which one nation goes to war against another. The declaration is a performative speech act (or the signing of a document) by an authorized party of a national government in order to create a state of war between two or more states.

    The legality of who is competent to declare war varies between nations and forms of government. In many nations, power is given to the head of state or sovereign; in other cases, something short of a full declaration of war, such as a letter of marque or a covert operation, may authorise war-like acts by privateers or mercenaries. The official international protocol for declaring war was defined in the Hague Convention (III) of 1907 on the Opening of Hostilities.

    Since 1945, developments in international law such as the United Nations Charter, which prohibits both the threat and use of force in international conflicts, have made declarations of war largely obsolete in international relations.[1] In addition to this, non-state or terrorist organizations may claim to or be described as "declaring war" when engaging in violent acts.[2][3] These declarations may have no legal standing in themselves, but may still act as a call to arms for supporters of these organizations."

    Nothing in there about 1933. Sure you posting on the right thread, might want to check with your Madrasa manager.


    That's right, your Hamas handbook taught you well, till then it was persecution like I said except it doesn't happen in Israel like it did in Germany.
     
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    Nor was one that was called Israel neither. And yet, here we are, in spite of your bad usage of semantics,

    Pff don't be simple: Most wars the US have been in since the end of WWII were conducted without formal declaration. Like you own quote says, formal declarations of war are a charming thing of the past, when people wore crowns. For it to be a "war" or not, it just suffice that the party who has the upper hand in it decides it so - If Japan had won WWII, Pearl Harbour wouldn't be a sneaky attack but a brilliant pre-emptive strike. You people with your dirty little lawyer tricks; think you are so smart twisting your way out that you are fooling everyone, do you?

    Wrong again. That keeps coming up like a bad habit. You know what helps in these cases? Knowing what we talk about. Try it.

    Believe me, if you were living in the occupied territories, you would have a much better informed opinion. But until then, and as long as you're not proving to be a complete autist, I'll be glad to assist in your educational elevation.
     
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    No. Nazi Germany had a contract with the Zionists, called "Transfer-" or "Haavara" Agreement. When Jews in Nazi Germany were prohibited to raise the Swastika flag they were offcially allowed to raise the Zionist flag instead, Star of David in blue on white, today's flag of Israel. Israeli JAFFA Oranges in 1936 changed their company logo into "King David surrounded by two Swastikas".

    Quote from the link below:

    Dr. Ludwig Pinner, a Ha'avara company official in Tel Aviv during the 1930s, later commented that the exceptionally competent Ha'avara immigrants "decisively contributed" to the economic, social, cultural and educational development of Palestine's Jewish community.

    The Transfer Agreement was the most far-reaching example of cooperation between Hitler's Germany and international Zionism. Through this pact, Hitler's Third Reich did more than any other government during the 1930s to support Jewish development in Palestine.


    Do you still believe not to be another victim of state propaganda?

    http://www.rense.com/general34/zand.htm
     
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    I am aware of all this, contrarly to some people who see the world in comforting black an' white. It appears that the stupid persons are happier than the aware kind.
     
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    Mine? You said "Israel "declared war" on Palestine well before May 1948." :roflol:

    Neither nation existed at that time!

    You people with your little fantasies make me chortle to no end.


    A sensational newspaper headline? Oh, you mean the Jewish boycott of German goods was a war?

    War as defined by wiki is " an organized and often prolonged conflict that is carried out by states or non-state actors. It is generally characterised by extreme violence, social disruption and economic destruction. War should be understood as an actual, intentional and widespread armed conflict between political communities, and therefore is defined as a form of political violence or intervention."

    A loose disorganized boycott is not war according to the above.

    Oh, I congratulate you for not using the actual source to show that headline. That you are familiar with it though tells much.

    Thanks, but until you actually have a clue I will use accredited sources.
     
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    You were the one who brought existencialist semantics in here - They are of no relevance to me. Fact is, "your side" (call them what you like) attacked Palestinians (call them what you like) with war well before any declaration of war was issued. That point still floats, despite, once again, your bad attempts at semantics. You seem stronger on semantic than actual debates, otherwise you wouldn't had let drop so many points since we had this discussion.

    Yep - like I said, the side that's the strongest decides the nature of the engagement, like here with Israel and Palestine. It might take two to make peace, but it takes only one to make war. If Germany decided that this assault was indeed war, I am sure there were more than enough people at that time to agree with them, just like you agree with Israel.

    Oh. And an individual attack on another individual is? Look at you: In desperation, you got to the closest thing to an actual dictionnary (Wikipedia), and then threw it on the page here, unsure of what you you found but expecting me to find something and so start another tangent that would save you, as temporary as it would be, from the actual points of the discussion.

    What, you suspect me to be knowledgeable and to know what I'm talking about? Yeah I'm dangerous enough for you, baby. You actually have every reason to fear me, since I'm the one who debunks you, without so much of an effort, as your argumentation is but the simple regurgitated stuff they feed the idiots with at Fox News.
     
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    have you been to Gaza?Of course not otherwise you wouldn't make such foolish comments comparing the IDF to overweight police officers or use terms like breach or sweep.

    Secondly provide your evidence Israel soldiers deliberately kill Palestinian civilians.

    You can't. You infer its deliberate but you have zero proof. Empty rhetoric. Its easy to throw out such allegations when you sit in an armchair so far away from the actual arena of conflict and think you know what the IDF is faced with.

    You don't know. You assume you know because you infer. There is a huge difference. You have no evidence.

    Palestinian civilians are dying but not because the IDF sets out intentionally to do that, You have them confused with Hamas.

    Hamas deliberately places Palestinian civilians in harms way to die.

    Interesting how you are silent on Hamas' deliberate and pre-meditated decision to kill off its own citizens for public relations sympathy.

    Tell me you want to talk deliberate. Here is deliberate. Instead of taking foreign aid to build schools,hospitals, community centres, roas,sewage systems for its people, instead of putting down its arms and living in peace with Israel and asking Israel as it did in the past to help finance its infrastructure, Hamas deliberately blew up any or all infrastructure financed by Israel. It deliberately shot and killed Palestinians it accused of being Zionist collaborators for having the nerve to have worked in Israel.

    Deliberate? Deliberate is taking money it could have used to help its citizens and spend it ounderground tunnels, missiles, and using civilian homes as missile sites.

    Deliberate is setting up its ammunition stores, expolsives, in UNWRA buildings, schools, hospitals , apartments.
     
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    "Deliberately" is a bit of a strong word. The correct expression, IMO, would the the IDF just don't care about them. They are not a target but they are not real kosher humans neither. A bit like cattle, if you will.

    Come on. You didn't hear about these children slaughtered on the beach? The "kills scoreboard" is quite a powerful evidence in itself. Of course Israel would have committed no crime as long as you will refuse to acknowledge them. But it's quite un-convincing for the others, less unconditional observers.

    The Gaza strip is about twice as large as the Paris metropolitan region, and it's the most densily habitated place in the world. Not every warring nation has the priviledge of having a safe home front.

    They can't; the blockade has immensely appoverished the region, and simple policemen or firefighters are considered "hamas terrorists" by Israel, and are targeted first as a prelude to about any operation the IDF conducts in this wonderful war-play-land of theirs. Besides, why would Israel want peace? Give me just one good reason - it shouldn't be difficult, is it? Hard to make peace when the other guy's profiting so much from war.

    Actually, the tunnels do serve the regular, everyday Palestians to live a bit of commerce, even if for this they are forced to kiss Hamas' arse. Thank you, Israel, you paragon of western splendour in the Levant.
     
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    Bull. Right you are going to pass yourself off as a credible source on Jewish history relying on the anti semite site Rense.

    The Haavara Agreement was in fact signed on August 25, 1933. It was far from a far reaching agreement and your attempt to pull it out of its actual context and try use it to suggest Zionists and Nazis were in an alliance is utter bull.

    The actual agreement was between the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank and the government of Germany which at the time was growing increasingly anti semitic but nad not yet publically been known to be exterminating Jews.

    The agreement was anything but far reaching if you actually tried to find out what it was about rather than rely on a site whose express potitical ideology is to denounce Jews and Israelis. Why not just quote other Stormfront posts you have read?

    That agreement TRIED to facilitate the emigration of German Jews to Palestine precisely because the Nazis were attacking Jews and the so called Zionists were trying to get them out.

    In fact it held Jews ransom.I n exchange for their being allowed to leave they were forced them to give up all their possessions, Interestingly Germany said it would transfer Jewish property and assetsto Palestine as German export goods but never did.

    The agreement came about because of desperation. There was no sinister Zionist Nazi conspiracy. What bull.

    The Haavara Agreement was initiated because Germany was trying to get rid of what it referred to as its "Jewish problem."

    In fact the head of its Middle Eastern division of the foreign ministry, Werner Otto von Hentig, was the one who came up with the idea.

    After the invasion of Poland and the onset of World War II in 1939, the Haavara agreement was ripped up.

    There was no sinister conspiracy. Germany openly detested Jews and so the Zionist community at the time tried to get them out.

    It is true that in 1940, an underground Zionist group Lehi which never amounted to more than 200 people met with von Hentig to propose direct military cooperation with the Nazis for the continuation of the transfer of European Jews to Palestine.

    Haganah-Palmach and even Irgun whom Lehi split from immediatedly denounced them.

    In fact Irgun and Haganah-Palmach joined the British armed forces volunteering 30,000 soldiers out of 470,00 Jewish Palestinians.

    This attempt to create a fictitious alliance between Zionists and Germans is a crock.

    Go read your history. Go find out what Hitler did and why the Mullah of Jerusalem lived in a confiscated jewish home in Berlin as the guest of Hitler throughout world war two and formed armed units to fight the British and Jews. Go find out how he broadcast daily to the Arab people telling them to wipe out the British and Jews.

    Go find out how he was the principal player in assuring Eichman used cynide gas to speeden up and make more efficient the genocide of Jews.

    You want to try paint Zionists as Nazis? Really. Right. Been done. Stale.
     

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