Kudzu: Proof of global warming

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  1. Windigo

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    It is not my job to give you links. I gave you a graph with the primary source referenced, Harries 2007, that is how scientific studies are referenced and it is more than enough information for you to find the paper. There is nothing in the forum rules that says how I am supposed to reference my sources. And there is nothing in the rules of formal debate that says I have to provide you with a link. You have the standard scientific reference, author and year, go look it up. Your inability to use a search engine is none of my concern and only further cheapens your OP.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Heck, I even gave the NOAA site where you can put in from 1998 to now and see no change in global temperature but that is not enough for some. They need word from God (some scientist or maybe a cartoonists website).
     
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    Well, things like "OMG, kudzu is spreading" and using that as evidence for global warming doesn't exactly help. I would be surprised to learn that kudzu wouldn't grow in Ohio not the other way around. That is a seriously prolific plant.

    For the record: I'm one of the few people who don't claim to know one way or the other. I think both sides are so politicized that it is impossible to glean much truth from either and since I, myself, am not trained in climate science...
     
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    BTW this story is also bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

    That is a lie, a plant physiologist knows better, she is lying to advance the cause of global warming as many scientivists in the employ of the government do.

    Kudzu are native to the Korean peninsula which gets average winter temperatures well below freezing -20C.

    So the premiss of the OP that its is the low temperatures of the northern states the keeps the kudzu at bay is absolute bull(*)(*)(*)(*)! Kudzu are native to plenty of cold climates.

    The quotes used by the OP are if anything proof of how willing governemnt employed scientivists are to lie to advance the AGW "cause". This scientivists knows full well that kudzu are native to both cold and warm climates are not nearly as sensitive to temperature as she is claiming. But she is willing to lie and say that they are to advance the government funded AGW agenda.

    EDIT: Now that I look at the parsing of the words I can see the game that Dr. Ziska is playing. She didn't specifically say kudzu. She said invasives. Kudzu are not that temperature sensitive but some invasives are. So by parsing her words to invasives and not kudzu she can imply that kudzu are temperature sensitive to the degree the article implies while not directly saying that kudzu are that temperature sensitive. That dot connection is left to the gullible reader.

    This is a prime example of how scientivists lie to the public. Dr. Ziska knows better, she however knows that the readers do not.
     
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    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are actually popular gardening writers that advocate kudzu as one of the best things to add to your compost pile (I think these writers are idiots, btw). That actually led to many not-so-savvy gardeners searching for and importing kudzu seeds in areas where the weed didn't already exist.
     
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    It's also an indictment of affirmative action. Men generally can't get away with this type of dishonesty and keep even a scrap of a career going, women? No prob.
     
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    I've seen a lot of male scientivists do the same. The issue is what they are lying about. The poster of this thread referenced an article by Peter Gleick in a later post, a man who admitted to a felony, stealing Heartlands funding documents by impersonating heartland staff, yet he still has a job, as an ethicist lol, and has never been charged by Obama's Justice Department despite Heartland requesting that he be charged and him admitting to the crime.
     
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    If you actually look at a map of kudzu temperature has nothing to do with expanse, its precipitation. Once you hit West Texas they stop.

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    Kudzu are clearly limited by precipitation not temperature.

    This entire OP is based on a lie by a government scientivist who knew that liberals would be gullible enough to buy it.

    I actually like this OP now. It shows just how much a governemnt employed scientivist is willing to lie to advance the AGW "cause" or simply "The Cause" as the illustrious Dr. Micheal Mann says.
     
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    Michael Mann Faces Bankruptcy as his Courtroom Climate Capers Collapse
     
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    It wasn't until the 40's that it was introduced on any scale and it has been spreading ever since.
     
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    There is that certain b.s. aroma around, but it's not coming from the OP.

    Assumes facts not in evidence; projects fantasies.

    Kudzu was believed to have originated in SE Asia and then got to Korea and later Japan.

    No, it is not "native" to cold climates.

    Kudzu thrives in warmer climates (the premise of the OP) but it can grow even in areas that get quite cold in the winter. The reason is that in colder climates, the above ground part dies back and, with the shorter growing seasons the farther north you get, doesn't have prolonged periods to spread as rapidly as it does in warmer climes. This, while it is referred to as "the weed that ate the South", note that reference is to the Southern U.S., not South Korea.

    The quote did not specifically use the word kudzu. It did say "invasives" of which kudzu is one, perhaps one of the better known ones. Your attempt to accuse the author and scientist (I believe that's the correct spelling) of lying just went splat.
     
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    Ahhhhh....YOU started this thread about the US and that a singular phenomenon here is your proof not the globe.
     
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    Great we can add kudzu to the list of things that are caused / not caused by global warming / cooling / climate change / climate disruption.

    http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

    Now with this new evidence can we please crush capitalism and put a totalitarian in control of your lives?
     
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    This is what I wrote:

    If you've never heard of kudzu, that wonderful Japanese vine imported into the U.S. back in the late 19th century, you have never visited Georgia or any of the states of the deep South. It thrived here and is headed north. As if you needed any more proof of global warming, this is just one more piece
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    Please note the intro is about GLOBAL warming and the northward movement is just one more BIT of evidence. I never claimed, as you so wrongly put it that, "a singular phenomenon here is your proof not the globe."
     
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    The problem with your connection is that it has been getting cooler in the US unless you think Kudzu roots go through the earth to the other side of the world. So are you saying cooling is causing it to spread?
     
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    Your attempt at linking a partisan article that contains utter nonsense didn't go splat, it went BOOM, as it has been so thoroughly debunked and exposed as partisan twaddle in this thread.
     
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    An invading plant proves Global Warming. I was on the fence before, but now I'm convinced.
     
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    Do libs honestly believe that lowering our standard of living back to a 19th century standards will keep kudzu out of Pennsylvania?

    It won't.

    The earth has warmed and cooled naturally ever since God created it and you can make changes drastic enough to stop that.

    But you can undo all the economic progress we have made in the last 100 years.
     
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    The new scientific model:

    1. Conclusion
    2. Observation
    3. Hypothesis

    1. Global warming is caused by man
    2. I just saw a bird fall from the sky
    3. Maybe the bird died due to man made global warming.

    The trouble with man's understanding of complex systems is man's understanding of complex systems.

    How much research is required to determine exactly why the Kudzu plant is expanding it's territory? It couldn't be because of changing soil properties, or rainfall changes, or predatory organism changes, or symbiotic organism changes, or photosynthetic changes, other native plant changes, or breeding condition changes, or genetic changes in the plant itself. Everything else but the temperature stayed exactly the same, right?
     
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    In this case, Kudzu is proliferating for a completely different reason, politics.
     
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    The left must have their Goldstein
     
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    This thread is particularly interesting to me because I just happened to have spent my weekend yanking the stuff out of my mother-in-law's back yard. Apparently Uconn sent a team of students into the area to study the feasibility of using the neighborhood as a test bed area to release colonies of a specific type of weevil that eats the vine.

    Of course, the vine has been here in CT since 1978 (back when the Earth was dangerously close to the next ice age due to human pollution)
     
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    What next? Is sand evidence of AGW? Was the German rout of Brazil in the World Cup evidence of AGW?

    In Warmer language, EVERYTHING is evidence of AGW, and NOTHING is allowed as contradictory evidence.

    Hypocrites!
     
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    The OP is nothing but bull(*)(*)(*)(*). It makes multiple false claims from the US temperature record to the nature of Kudzu. Its pure unadulterated bull(*)(*)(*)(*)!

    Oh please. Its a debate I'm more than allowed to prescribe ones motives for lying.

    http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?314966
    Now please quit making bull(*)(*)(*)(*) arguments!

    Kudzu thrive where there is adequate precipitation. Temperature in the range we are discussing here is not the limiting factor. Look at the map I posted. The advance stops dead in west Texas. Your article is based on a lie.

    She is a stupid liberal. Stupid liberals are by nature ignorant so they like a 4 year old they don't understand the nature of lying. They stamp their feet yelling I did not lie. They are too stupid to understand that there are different kinds of lying.

    What we have here is often called a contextual lie or a misleading and dissembling lie where they wording is literally true but the intent is to create a false impression, in this case speaking generally about all invasives while trying to make the impression that you are speaking about Kudzu when kudzu do not behave in the way of the generalization.

    Stupid liberals like the scientivist and only and only stupid liberals like this scientivist do not believe that this is lying. They told their mom when they were 4 that they didn't lie and they are still mad that their mom told them 'yes you did'.
     
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    ...and republican politicians 'man farts' contribute more to global warming than cars, cows, or Canadian tar-sands oil being refined in Texas for shipment overseas.
     

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